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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Well after the well lane dooo!! 300 bhp is quite powerfull ,see even I can get an extra 10 bhp from my keyboard!!.On these slippery/greasy roads at the moment,after slidding around most round-abouts with brand new so2s fitted last week,on my way home yesterday.
I,m thinking more Bhp? uuummmm !!well more power on sliding ,after listening to others talking about suspension and such like .It posses again my thought towards the accelereation side of tuning keeping Bhp around 290 and keeping the car upright.
Theres no way these days of really getting a top speed of 150 mph , then getting banned for a year.
I love acceleration ,being thrown back in the seat,and firing my evo fast around bends .
In the near future car may be restricted even further to what they are now ,but getting to 120 mph as fast as i can appeals to me,and keeping the drift and sliding to a minimum appeals even more.
I guess this is where management systems , keeping heat dispersed correctly and cooling to a max.I would like my torque figure to be higher than my bhp figure.
Comments and Ideas would be appreciated,and any one running more torque than bhp?

cheers


Paul s
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Apart from the tuning side have you done anything to the suspension, Strut brace or better brakes because with that much power the car may need to be lowered to stop it from rolling over. HKS do lots of management systems as does blitz may be that could be anyother addition to HH6's techinal info.
Try www.takakaira.co.jp or www.hksusa.com or www.blitz.co.uk
Also try co-ordsport because they have group a and n systems.
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Andy

The car has been lowered 36mm front/16mm rear with hks springs,have an rs strut brace fitted to the front.looking at a deemon tweeks 40£ rear strut brace .
Just fitted 225 wide tyres from 205 standard.
I may have the geometry looked at again ,to see if any thing can be done their!!


cheers

Paul s
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Shorty,

There was a guy called Richard at tuning Japanese with a heavily modded white Extreme (not sure if RS450 spec?) who was running more torque than bhp when he went on the rollers - not sure if this was intended however.

Steve.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Shorty

I had my car on the RR at Star on Sunday and got 20lbs/ft more torque than my power figure http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/happy1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >

Unfortunately peak power was a feeble 200bhp! This seems to be common with the 1800s, Slaphead Racing got 240bhp and 260lbs/ft with his car on 1 bar (I'm currently running 0.8 bar). Maybe the small turbo (TD04) helps with this, although it is really strangled at the top end.

Next time my car will have been serviced (!) and hopefully running 1 bar and a cold-air induction kit, so something approaching Richard's figures should be on [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/happy1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >

Good luck on your quest for a mental 1/4-mile machine [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Yeah Steve, Richard's car was RS450 spec and was putting out 370 lbs/ft IIRC. All I know is that when he went down the slip road and I was behind him, his car sounded like a full on rally car (anti-lag on, I think). I was very impressed
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
Chunky,

Yeah ,I had a look at the figures,the scoobs seem to put out more torque than BHP !.
I am still in two minds as to go out and buy an Extreme or a MAK,or a E5 ,or keep my car and slap on some body parts and get the engine colour coded,with hoses,Facking Evo drives me insane.Not having a garage drives me insane as well ,other wise I would get bits fitted by myself,
Might even buy a max modded pug and slam it into some park benches and trees ,like i did with an old vauhall victor i had once, on clifton downs, Bristol with the light off .Frustrated or what?
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Daryl, did you do the run with and without the grommit?, be interested to hear if there was any difference in the figures!

Best regards
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Shorty,

If you want a modifyed evo,I think that a new extreme is a good one but too expensive for what you get.
The TME is not cheap,and if you go for a five it may have too many miles.

I would try to find a low mileage evo vi at a good price and with the difference with the extreme price,upgrade it
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Black VI

I'm a bit of an idiot I'm afraid http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/embarassed1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > I thought we would have two separate runs, but they did them consecutively, so I didn't have time to remove the grommet.

Anyway, the general concensus seemed to be that grommet removal is dodgy, especially if you have induction and exhaust mods (fuel cut), so the next thing is to get a chip. Oh oh, I can see this is the start of the slippery slope called tuning [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/sad1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >

I was pleased with the bhp (311), but the torque was only 269, so any advice on the best way to improve it would be welcome. And before anyone suggests it, no I can't afford the RS450 mods!
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Tommi Makinens rally car has more torque than bhp as do most of the World Rally Cars simply because of the turbo restrictor fitted not allowing full bhp gains from the modified engines but allowing torque gains.
For increased torque I assume the principle is to reduce the resistance (weight) acting against the engines output. I assume a greater displacement would increase torque and other improvements to reduced the resistant against the drive such as a lightened Flywheel, Crank, Pistons etc. Obviously you are not adding much power this way but it should mean the engine will spool up quicker and hence improve the torque? Only an educated guess though. Let me know if I am thinking along the right lines.
Certainly greater displacement improves torque just look at V8 engines and the torque they produced.
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
shorty,

I have more torque than BHP
max BHP about 265 at 5800 rpm and max torque around 280 at 3500 rpm.
got a close-ratio box of some sort, uprated clutch of some sort, wicked Fujitsubo exhaust, blitz induction kit and other bits and bobs. no internal engine mods that i know of. be out of my financial league for me to contemplate them myself.
seriously lowered and very stiff compared to the evo V i have been in. possibly too stiff for wet weather

cheers
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Shorty

Straigt down the M4 to J8/9 and turn left http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >

Kevin
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Kevin .

Is it still ok for next sunday?
Just mail some directions and a time.
Should get there 1/2 hour by Evo M4 J8/9.

cheers

paul
 
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