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I would like to know what everyones thoughts are on the subject of (no doubt many have been here before) the 3 year vehicle warranty not covering the front discs. I am a relative newcomer to the evo world having bought a 6GSR last August. At 4500 miles and amp; its 1st service, I had to have the discs skimmed. Now, at the 9000 mile service, the discs are gone again (normal town/cross country driving) and Co-ordsport won't replace them under warranty ( due to its mileage they say). I find this more than just somewhat unfair, but, having read lots of comments on these forums, thought, well I may as well upgrade them at the same time. But they won't offer anything towards the upgrade either. Now I'm being asked to fork out £297|PLS|vat per disc for AP xdrilled. I've read about the Dragon discs but now am unsure what should be done. Comments would be appreciated.
 
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The discs seem to be a weak link in the Evo. As you have probably read the OE discs seem to warp quite easily but not just the OE discs either. People have reported warping the Group N discs and other uprated discs from different manufacturers. It seems that the Dragon discs are pretty much warp resistant and I will be replacing my OE discs with them when I get my car back.
As to the warranty I think if enough of us complained then CCC would have to do something about it. I remember the original Mk1 MR2 had a similar problem with its front discs warping all the time and they were eventually replaced by uprated items FOC under warranty when the problem became apparent across the board.
 
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My car isn't a Ralliart car so don't know about waranty claims etc. However I've warped one set of standard discs and one set of group N discs on the road. After much research I've bought the Dragon replacements, and they are good, very good, very very good. Didn't go for the AP's as there have been a couple of sets returned to BG developments (you've guessed it) warped. The Dragon's come with a guarantee not to warp. Funnily enough my first set of discs went at about 9k miles and the group N ones only lasted about 2.5k. Ask anybody who has got the Dragon kit and they'll all tell you how good it is.

Adrian
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
The Dragon are probably the best choice now,but if they don't warb is because they have a separate alloy bell.
Any other one piece disc is subject to warping.
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
My Dragon disk are fine (two track days and 2,500 miles) Car has done only 12,500 miles in all from Oct 99 and 5 track days, I have gone through two pair of std disks after three track days and 10,000 miles. I don't drive to hard on the road and do on the track.

So I recommend the Dragon disks as replacement for std disk and,.. And I have a new set of std disk for sale (Came from Park Lane when I complained about the wobble) Make me an offer on the std disk

Steve
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Well, all very interesting and thanks for the comments and amp; offer. I did today call Dragon but they are now out of stock for a while. So, after speaking with Ralliart, it seems they are now just starting to promote Pagid discs as well as their pads. They offered me a set of Pagid 16 groove 1 piece discs at no charge in exchange for me acting as guinea pig. Seemed like a good idea so I get the car back tomorrow and we'll just have to see. Bit unsure still about the fact that they are 1 piece but only time will tell. Judging by all accounts, if they are going to fail, I won't have to wait for very long! Then I definetly will go down the Dragon route.

I'm also having the brake line kit added as well. I hope this does what its supposed to do as I have always thought that there was no positive feel to the brakes. Anyone had the same done and if so, does it really make that much difference?
 
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I am supprised that a recall had not been issued with regards the discs it is very obvious that there is problem with the discs ,or the way they are used .personally I feel that with all your comments its the disc problem.
Mitsubishi are a total shambles when it comes to customer service ,no wonder they were near to collapse .
Your warrenties don,t seem to worth the toilet paper they are written on.
Any one who has paid the extra to buy through Ralliart for the warrenty is being fobbed off.
I feel that you as E6 drivers have been shafted,as far as these disc are concerned with any warrenty that was with the vehicle.Ok I,m sure many things have been corrected like a squeeky door,or a boot lid catch that isn,t oiled.
But with a big issue like BRAKES well ,that will go away won,t it ,but a squeeky door won't.
I gave up the weed yesterday morning so you will have to excuse my frustration .the vallium and methedone help .No ones upset me today Bugger!!means I will have to keep off it for another while.
Beside this Why not kick up a fuss with watchdog,keep the mitsi momentum going .I heard CCC cirencester were looking for staff.

cheers

Paul s
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
Ian C,

See Kevin's post in Brakes. I feel the same but my Dragon discs aren't bedded in yet and I fitted the lines myself and am sure there is still a bit of air in them that needs bleeding out. Two bleed nipples a calliper and its bloody freezing outside.

Adrian
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
IanC........Ditto Adrain ref brakes/sensation that there is air in the system. I have braided hoses which made no difference, and my system is bled frequently after trackdays etc which never improves matters.
Just have to live with it I suppose. You can significantly improve initial bite by changing to harder pads, but that brings with it a whole load more other problems(read overheating).

No idea what the solution might be, but it doesn't bother me enough to try fixing.

Steve
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Well I got the car back today and am now going through the bedding in process with std Brembo pads and these Pagid grooved discs. Should be able to get them bedded in by the weekend, then we'll see.

Also had the brake lines done, but at this stage, I would say I can't really tell the difference - other than my pockets empty. £700|PLS| for the 9000 service, brake lines, pads and amp; discs(discs at no charge) fitted and a pair of PIAA H4 bulbs. God knows what the 13500 service will bring because I fancy the look of the Super Dragger exhaust, Decat pipe and amp; induction kit! Problem is, I don't really know what the warranty situation is with these mods. (as usual) But for now, I'have had enough and just want to get some driving in.
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Ian your labour charge was hour endous,whats mitsi charging ?my local guys wanted 60 quid a hour .fk that I will not pay this much when the cars worth 13K.
Having said that no matter your skill if you specialise you are still worth the man who didn'y bother.
£4.75 minimum wage ,cause thats some times the worth of the guys playing with yr motor.


cheers paul s
synically yours cause Ive given up smoking!!!
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
What are the signs of warped disks?

Please don't tell me it steering wheel judder under braking.

Still 8200 miles is about the average life expectancy of the originals.
 
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IanC,don't go for the super dragger,take the hyper muffler with the extension kit if you want a better sound and performance.
For the warranty there shouldn't be any problems for little modifications,but if you have some problems with your evolution just put the standard exhaust and air filter back before
talking to ralliart.

For the discs,there are other companies that made separate alloy bell discs.
TAROX,ALCON,PROJECT µ(avaible by theyr european dealer in italy,ctf).
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Sorry Zippy

But I am afraid you got it in one.
You now have warped discs.
You now have several choices.
1) Get them skimmed. Not really a good choice but if you get it done free under warrenty why not?
2) Get another single piece disc. Either group N or another brand. More expensive but you run the risk of warping again.
3) Get a 2 piece brake kit. Either Dragon or I think AP are testing a new set. Even more expensive but should solve the problem.
4) Get 6 pot fronts. Err AP as far as I know, others can be made to fit. Loads of money well in the 1000's any way. Not tested but they better not warp at that price. %$$£%^%

Personally mine warped at 7500 miles. I fitted the Dragon Mk2 disc then got them upgraded to Mk3 discs.
No problems on the road or the track. My car is only really used on the track so that should be an endorsement for them.

Thorak
 
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