Turbo choice minefield

rikosheavr4 · Dec 6, 2016

So am running a GT30 at present on an AMS mani. It's making around 550bhp and is mainly for track use.

I have been wondering what to go for next if there is a next. I wouldn't want any more power but increased power band and spool would be essential.

Questions are.

Turbo recommendation and why (EFR, Blouch,Precision,Garret)?

Change manifold move to twin scroll etc.?

Or is the extra cost not worth the benefit?

Evo87 · Dec 6, 2016

I know its a stock frame but the blouch 760 seems to be a good choice at that power level, maybe even ross sport hpb?

rikosheavr4 · Dec 7, 2016

Evo87 said:
I know its a stock frame but the blouch 760 seems to be a good choice at that power level, maybe even ross sport hpb?

That has been considered. But the cost to revert to stock frame is quite high.

Dan ep3 turbo · Dec 7, 2016

The blouch 3080 seem very impressive try searching mg autos blouch 3080, also check out smithy nd build on a precision 5858.

wheelykingzoom · Dec 7, 2016

Both Jason4567 and I have EFR units on our 2.3ltrs. Me having the 7163 and jason4567 has the 7670 both with internal wastegates. Spool is fantastic especially on the 7163 with its twin scroll setup. You would be better to speak to Jason for his feedback directly.

One thing I noticed after trying different combinations on the internal wastegated 7163 is that the boost does drop off higher up in the rev range, so I would definitely recommend going for the external wastegate setup to get the best out of it. However take a look at the graph and see for yourself.

Other thing with the EFR units are that they are physically quite large, so unsure if it would simply bolt up to an existing manifold.

rikosheavr4 · Dec 7, 2016

Dan ep3 turbo said:
The blouch 3080 seem very impressive try searching mg autos blouch 3080, also check out smithy nd build on a precision 5858.

Looked at the 3080 and sent MG a mail.
Will take a gander at the precision thanks

rikosheavr4 · Dec 7, 2016

wheelykingzoom said:
Both Jason4567 and I have EFR units on our 2.3ltrs. Me having the 7163 and jason4567 has the 7670 both with internal wastegates. Spool is fantastic especially on the 7163 with its twin scroll setup. You would be better to speak to Jason for his feedback directly.

One thing I noticed after trying different combinations on the internal wastegated 7163 is that the boost does drop off higher up in the rev range, so I would definitely recommend going for the external wastegate setup to get the best out of it. However take a look at the graph and see for yourself.

Other thing with the EFR units are that they are physically quite large, so unsure if it would simply bolt up to an existing manifold.

I am tempted more by the 7670 than the 7163 I'm worried the 2.0l won't work quite as well though.

wheelykingzoom · Dec 7, 2016

rikosheavr4 said:
I am tempted more by the 7670 than the 7163 I'm worried the 2.0l won't work quite as well though.

You might be ok if you went for a small housing on the 7670 and went twin scroll. Take a look for jasons build thread, he has a 6 RS2. Might be some power graphs nearer the end of the thread.

rikosheavr4 · Dec 7, 2016

wheelykingzoom said:
You might be ok if you went for a small housing on the 7670 and went twin scroll. Take a look for jasons build thread, he has a 6 RS2. Might be some power graphs nearer the end of the thread.

I'll try and find that thread. Thanks!!

kins · Dec 8, 2016

I certainly wouldn't be going back to a stock frame turbo setup if I had that kit. Is it a regular GT3076r (cast compressor wheel) on a t3 manifold?

rikosheavr4 · Dec 8, 2016

kins said:
I certainly wouldn't be going back to a stock frame turbo setup if I had that kit. Is it a regular GT3076r (cast compressor wheel) on a t3 manifold?

It's a GT3076r with billet compressor wheel ( GT307659R with Billet Hta) on a T3 mani. WG is in the old place as a opposed to the later versions. It's good on full boost but the power band is quite narrow and on track isn't forgiving if you pick the wrong gear. At Donny I find I'm in 3rd screaming rather than 4th just on the thresholds.

kins · Dec 8, 2016

Not sure where the '59' comes from.... thought it might be to do with the A/R but .63 is the smallest hotside for a GT3076r. What size hotside is yours?

It might be worth looking at - but I think it might be worth looking at the gearing if you're doing a lot a track work.

rikosheavr4 · Dec 9, 2016

kins said:
Not sure where the '59' comes from.... thought it might be to do with the A/R but .63 is the smallest hotside for a GT3076r. What size hotside is yours?

It might be worth looking at - but I think it might be worth looking at the gearing if you're doing a lot a track work.

Its a .82 I think..

Are you suggesting a shorter ratio box?

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kins · Dec 10, 2016

rikosheavr4 said:
Its a .82 I think..

Are you suggesting a shorter ratio box?

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I wouldn't suggest anything mate without understanding exactly what you're not happy about. If you have an AMS kit with a billet wheeled 30 it should work nice on track.

When you said "At Donny I find I'm in 3rd screaming rather than 4th just on the thresholds" - to me that suggests you're not too pleased with the gear ratios in the car. If you could elaborate some more I'm sure we can throw some ideas / areas of investigation your way.

Dan ep3 turbo · Dec 10, 2016

Post a pic of your dyno sheet so we can see how your engine is performing

rikosheavr4 · Dec 10, 2016

Dan ep3 turbo said:
Post a pic of your dyno sheet so we can see how your engine is performing

wolfy · Dec 10, 2016

What about a norris charger?

rikosheavr4 · Dec 10, 2016

wolfy said:
What about a norris charger?

That has piqued my interest. But cost and any anecdotal or customer feedback has been sadly limited or non existent

Dan ep3 turbo · Dec 10, 2016

Good power for eurospec harsh dyno, who mapped it Romain?

I don't think there's really any magical turbo out there what's going to give you any better performance. What's your engine specs? have you got a standard port head and what inlet manifold

rikosheavr4 · Dec 10, 2016

Dan ep3 turbo said:
Good power for eurospec harsh dyno, who mapped it Romain?

I don't think there's really any magical turbo out there what's going to give you any better performance. What's your engine specs? have you got a standard port head and what inlet manifold

It was ported a ported head. A radley ultimate race head. But I had a valve guide go through the engine recently and the head is written off. So I'm going back to a head without modification just strengthened internals.

I have a Magnus cast inlet manifold.

Mapped. By Mark S

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