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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I have a MINES ECU, Buddy club N1 3.5diameter exhaust, de-cat, Blitz blow off valve, a Power Enterprise turbine kit 450psi(not fitted yet), 550cc injectors, fuel regulators and fuel pump, HKS dampers/springs

I am planning to get the new Greddy management computer http://202.157.154.128/php/table.php3?id|EQU|684 and amp;cat|EQU|2.

(The top end was to be compared with his skyline GTR33.)

if I change the pistons, conrod and cams to those mentioned in this forum, what stage will it bring my car to?

Thanks

Lawrence
black evo6
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Who knows and who cares? I think the whole stage system is nothing more than a marketing tool for tuning companies. If you compare different stages that companies offer they don't seem to be set buy some guideline. I don't think there is some sort of a Stage Regulatory Committee , or am I wrong? On another note, given your list of improvements it seems to me that money is not a problem, so why don't you go for a Motec ECU? I don't have the funds yet, but when I do I'll go for the best which is Motec after I've had a bad experience with a less capable ECU.
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Quite right the 'stage' thing is just to do with marketing. One makers stage does not compare with another.

According to me I have a Stage 10 upgrade, thats right I have a Ralliart key fob.
 
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Michael, take it easy man, Laurence is just asking what kind of torque and power levels can be expected from the new turbine kit.

I know that with the HKS GT whatever ballbearing turbine kit (you all know which one I mean, right?) Digit Power of Switzerland get 560 Nm of torque at 3800 rpms and 420 to 450 bhp depending on boost. If your turbine is the same size(s) it should give you a similar result. The problem is to get someone capable to map the ECU for you after that.

Laurence, why dont you get some serious shock absorbers? Öhlins, Proflex, Dynamic. etc.?

www.digit-power.ch
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Claudius

I don't know why you always rave about Digit-Power. Have you ever been there actually? I was and the only thing I tell you they're crap!!! The owner Roberto Feller doesn't have a clue about cars and driving. So his old mapper split with him and founded a new company. I had the pleasure to testdrive his 300hp Impreza with a TD05 and turbo lag with no end! For tuning purposes he uses bleed valves and fuel cut defenders and calls it remap . What a joke! Also his dyno overreads a lot so take it easy with their figures. At the Tuner GP in Hockenheim, even with Marc Surer behind the wheel, slow lap times and loads of excuses, tyres etc. There are for more reputable companies concerning EVO's in Switzerland. GT Evolution for example is a sole rally preparator. His car won the Group N in Monte Carlo this year. The other one is Eggenberger who built up a reputation with Cossie tuning. Now his EVO specialist and just mapped the car of Mani Stohl in 98 and 99 when he became Vice World Champion in Group N. He offered to me a Motec mapping with safe 350hp and 520NM with standard turbo, anti lag and electronically controlled water spray. Digit Power is just for Max Power guys the other two for serious lads.

BTW DP was Carlsson importer in Switzerland but they took it away from them. Wonder why!

Cheers

Mike

PS: Enjoy your new MAK
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Scoobymike

I dont RAVE about DP, I took my M 3 there 2 years ago, they remapped it or whatever they did and put a different rear axle ratio in there, and the car was running smooth and nice and all that. I never recommended them, I just repeated what R. Feller told me about the figures for their Evo 6 with the HKS turbine kit.

BTW, I would like to get a Motec just like you said, I talked to Eggenberger a few months ago, they told me not to change the exhaust! Have they changed their minds since? Oh, and who does the Motec (I guess it's an M48Pro) remap with all the stuff you said for the Evo 6? GTO or Eggenberger? Do you think you can get a little more (even insignificantly) out of the titanium wheel turbo?

Take care,

Claudius
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Claudius

both companies GTOEvolution and Eggenberger do the Motec. It actually is the M48 I was reffering to. Just contact Marco Flury at Eggenberger he's the man who does it. They even test the result on two different types of dinos inhouse to have consistent results.
Eggenberger is quite conservative so they don't recommend just changing the exhaust because they made some bad experience with owners getting fuel cuts after fitting it. So they stopped selling the Sports ECU with the Supersprint system because of the danger of running lean.
I'm sure if you ask them for more power than they can do it. But I think the standard turbo is not enough above 380hp even if being equipped with the titanium blades as ours.

Do you often come to Switzerland? It would be nice to meet some enthusiasts from other countries. On 2 June the Tuner GP and Drift Challenge takes place in Hockenheim and RalliArt Germany will be present with Uwe Nittel at the wheel. If you're going drop me a line.

See ya

Mike
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
That's a real problem!

There are some rally teams that know what they are doing but will ask you twice the normal price for some parts,or they will be conservative saying to keep the standard exhaust,and some others will only try to sell you what they want even if they don't know how to remap the ecu for the new parts!

Anyway even if they did a good job on Claudius M3 I don't understand why he keep talking
about Digit power as he knows other tuners that get 650 or 700bhp from an evo as JUN or that can supply all the parts you need as graham goode,dragon or others in UK.

NOW CLAUDIUS TOMMI MAKINEN EDITION HAS A STAGE 10 CONVERSION AS HE FITTED THE BLITZ FILTER
WITH A RECIRCULATING BLOW OFF VALVE AND HAS GOT THE AYC!!!
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
I don't take my car to so-called tuning companies anymore, but prefer to get rally guys to do it. As you might have read in some thread I a have special place for a certain British tuning company on my rubbish bin, as they ripped me off for about 7 months until I started using my brain. The rally guy that I have taken the car to is about half as cheap and twice as good, sa he works for the WRC team from time to time. This is my experience in Britain. Now that I move to Dusseldorf I have to start from scratch again with finding someone who knows about this car... First of all I'll have to get the car through the TUV, some reverse engineering will be needed. So, does anyone know companies in Germany that know their stuff?? Tuner GP on the 2nd of June, ****!! that's the day when I'm cruising through Europe in a 7.5 ton lorry...
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Scoobymike

I dont go to Switzerland very often. But I would go there to be sure I get a correctly mapped M48 for my car. Did you get this ECU yourself? I'd love to meet you there when I go!
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
I do have got the HKS dampers/springs and top pillow mount.

Michael K, can you recommend me to your rally friend so maybe I can get in touch with him to work on my car if he is interested.(UK)

The motec in UK is costing about £1500 plus, is it cheaper in Switzerland? or would those Japanese electronic controller like apex or greddy help?

sorry about those 'stages', it was those tunning companies that mentioned those stage 3 or 4 or 10, I only listen.


Lawrence
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Of course, he doesn't have a problem with working on normal cars. His workshop is near Stanstead airport:

The Garage
High Easter, Chelmsford
Essex CM1 4QT

Tel: 01245 231366

He builds racing cars and knows the Evo like the back of his hand. I guess being on the WRC circuit for a few seasons does help... He doesn't know much about ECU's but has good contacts to all sorts of people, so he'll be able to tell you what would be the best thing. He sold/fitted my Proflex Gr. N suspension for me at a very reasonable price. Let's say it was about the same price that I would have had to pay to have for the Proflex road car suspension being fitted at my least favourite tuning company...
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Michael, thanks for the contact. can I have his name and mentioned your name to him as reference?

Lawrence
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Lawrence

Speak to clive at RC developments in Warrington. They will build your engine to any spec you want, and know what they are doing. They do use APEXi stuff, but if you are prepared to pay for it Clive likes Motec management systems and will set it all up for you. Max there has an EVO which is making about 400BHP with standard turbo and a lot of head/cam work and fuel/ignition/boost controllers. It's worth going down to speak to them and see how they are set up. Labour rates are OK and they realy do know what they are doing.

Adrian
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Hi!

Batman,how are the HKS pillow ball upper mounts? Are them ok for back country road use or do they make more noise than standard rubber ones? Do you suggest them?

Michael,do you know if your WRC mechanic can supply also OHLINS at a good price?
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
I'll check what the M48 costs in Switzerland. This year I won't go the Full Monty but next year. Maybe then a group buy could be considered if the price is right.

Cheers

Mike
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Silversix, T27,
RC Developments Evo 6 appears in May/June Issue of Japanese Performance magazine (its on the cover so you can't miss it on the shelves!).
According to the article their six produces 378Bhp and amp; 333lbft at 1.5Bar (RC Development claim) and supposedly 400Bhp at 1.65Bar.

The car keeps the bottom end and block internals standard apart from ARP con rod bolts and clyinder head studs upgrade.

Mods include:
Ported and gas flowed clyinder head, throttle body and amp; inlet manifold
Modified standard turbo (ported turbo housing)
RCD stage three cams with HKS vernier timing pullies (supposedly worth 18Bhp)
HKS Iridium spark plugs
HKS 1.2mm Head gasket
RCD second oil cooler
Cusco Oil separator/breather kit
HKS Intercooler with new aluminium pipework to the throttle body and air flow meter
Blitz SUS |PLS| cold air box/battery relocation
HKS front down pipe to 5-Zigen three inch exhaust system
A'PEXi Super AFC Fuel Controller
A'PEXi Super ITC Ignition Controller
A'PEXi Super AVC-R Boost Controller
Gauges by A'PEXi and Omri

It also mentions a fuel pump upgrade but RC are a bit cagey about the exact mods for this.
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
HH6 thanks for answering that for me. I've seen Max's car a few times. At Well Lane on the rollers, it produced 370 odd BHP, and my 6 with filter cat pipe and down pipe produced 299BHP (Yes I have got the graphs to prove it!). I know rolling roads aren't exactly accurate, and are very different, but when you compare my car to Max's you can see the huge difference. Also it was about the fastest thing on the track at Castle Combe, even with the silencer in (Max got asked not to go on the track again even with the silencer because it was still too loud). Anyone who wants to see just how quick it is, go to any of the track days that RC are at, and compare their 6 to the rest of the cars.

I'm not trying to justify their power claims, and don't want to get into an argument about power calims, but do know that they are a good bunch of blokes, and know exactly what they are doing. So far 3 people I know have had their 6's played with, and all of them are extremely happy. I'm having mine looked at when I get back off holiday (finances allowing after all the sangria!)

Ignoring power claims, they will build an engine to any spec you want (If you've got the cash and want huge power they will do it for you).

Before anybody asks I'm not at all connected to RC, just impressed with their level of knowledge and friendliness.

Adrian
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
Batman,

his name is Dave Sellens and say that Michael the Finnish guy with the Evo 6 sent you. He can supply you with any parts, also Öhlins, but getting Öhlins at a reasonable price is impossible unless you're really lucky. I really tried to get Öhlins, but in the end they cost around 5000 for a full set and even used one's don't go much lower than 4500 as they are so reliable and in ridiculous demand. So I went for Proflex and got the the set through Dave for 2000 brand new, this is 500 below list price. The reason why they were so cheap was that a rally team had bought them and ended up not using them. Dave will always ask around the people that he knows whether they have anything cheap at the moment and as he is quite well known in the rally circles he usually gets things cheaper than other companies.
 
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