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Discussion Starter · #21 ·
I think it's possible in the UK, I know it's possible in Finland, there's even an anonymous hotline where people can call and tell the tax authorities any suspicions of tax evasion!! And of course you can go to the tax office and check anyone's tax papers... This is real-life socialism and the reason why I probably will never live in Finland.

Discussion Starter · #22 ·
Hehe, in France, if you tell the tax authorities who is not paying enough and they can subsequently prove it and recover money, you get a percentage!!!

Sorry, back to the topic: doesnt any UK resident from this forum know the answer to my question?

Discussion Starter · #23 ·
I will be putting a kill switch under the dash some where so the ingnition will not work with out it. I have also got a mercury tilt switch from a previous employer. Toying ith the idea of putting that in. As soon as they turn the car the ignition will cut off. May just make it a bit too much hasle to try to take.


Discussion Starter · #24 ·
I am sure a professional criminal would have, shall we say, 'inside contacts' that could provide address details to a reg number and thats what I meant. Just because you are not supposed to able to do it doesn't mean it can't be done.

Discussion Starter · #27 ·
In theory, it's possible to legally obtain the address of the registered keeper of a car. Here's the catch ... you have to send a token amount of money to the DVLA along with a letter giving a good reason for wanting to know the address associated with the reg. no.

I doubt that there can be any single good reason for a private individual to get this information and the service mainly exists for professional reasons so that, for example, security guards on university campuses can get the addresses of students parking illegally etc.


Discussion Starter · #28 ·
Thats interesting about the security aspect.
I have my car registered at a different address than the official owners my company and my home address is different again.and then my car is garaged away from my home .
Call me suspicious or what!
And I have a warning that I attatch to the windscreen making those aware that they are being watched and should bugger off quickly.

Discussion Starter · #29 ·
As Droid has noted, anyone with a legitimate reason can obtain full keeper details from the DVLA.

The cost?

A mere £2.50.

I often have to do this in connection with my legitimate business.

But quite frankly, with a correctly worded letter and £2.50 cheque, anyone can obtain your details.

Good idea to register you car at a different address.

I have just been passed the July copy of Top Gear magazine (yes I know, but it makes good bathroom reading), which has the following article, which should interest you.

Bit before you have nightmares, remember, car-jacking is very rare and only 4 EVO’s in 1000 are stolen

Sleep well!!!

I was in the house when the thieves came. I heard a noise downstairs and ran to the landing. A guy was walking up the stairs. I switched on the light but he shattered it with what I guessed was a shotgun. I was in my bare feet and surrounded by glass. He shouted for the keys to my Impreza and I told him where they were. Another guy found them and told me to go back in the room. I went back in, locked the door and waited until my car was gone. This is David, an Irish Subaru owner, describing the theft of his Impreza.

Amazingly, a few months later he spotted his car with a stranger at the wheel, driving past him on the opposite side of the road. He called the police who confirmed his car was indeed still in Ireland. How did they know? Because it had been used in a number of armed robberies.

David's is not an isolated case. The Impreza and its soulmate, the Mitsubishi Evo, have become the MkII Jaguars of our time - the criminals' favourite getaway wheels. And in order to acquire them, thieves are not just stealing them from the roadside but, more dangerously, have started carjacking their owners or breaking into their houses to find the keys by any means.

In the past year, Imprezas and Evos have been involved in a wide variety of crimes from cigarette smuggling to drive-by shootings in Northern Ireland to armed robberies. There was a report of a thief roaming Manchester, torching the coin boxes off public phones using an acetylene kit stowed in the boot of an Impreza. Stolen Imprezas have even been used to drag cash machines from their footings.

Thieves have also taken advantage of the cars' fourwheel-drive systems to carry out smash and grab's. In a ram-raid on a jeweller's shop in the West Midlands an Evo IV was actually driven up some steps and into a shopping centre.

The Evo in question belonged to John Handley, the 1968 European Touring Car Champion and ex-Mini Cooper works driver. He was accustomed to losing his car - his previous set of wheels, a Lancia Delta Integrale, was also stolen three times, once from a police pound! But it is what happened to the Mitsubishi after it had been snatched from Birmingham airport that shocked John.

The car was used in a number of robberies before the ram raid on a jewellery store in a shopping. centre in Sutton Coldfield.

They actually drove the thing into the centre, says John. Apparently the four-wheel-drive system got them up some steps. Over £30,000 of jewellery was stolen. The car was then used in a raid on a supermarket in Burton upon Trent.

But why Evos and Imprezas? Well, like the infamous Sierra Sapphire Cosworth before it, the Japanese cars are - as excruciating as this may sound to their owners - perfect for use in crimes that involve carrying large loads, extremely quickly, across varied terrain. And they've got four doors, as well, of course. Thieves are well aware of the vehicles' substantial performance, traction and load-carrying capabilities and use them to their advantage.

In the world of cops and robbers, speed is everything: and these cars are about the fastest saloon cars going.

PC Martin believes the 155mph reached by a stolen Evo VI and Impreza, running in convoy on the M40, was the highest speed recorded by a police helicopter. The vehicles were used in a crime in Hampshire, believed to be a smash and. grab, and were spotted by a patrol vehicle in Wallingford. They made off at high speed but were picked up by the Chiltern Air Support helicopter.

We picked out the vehicles because of their speeds, and followed them up onto the M40, says PC Martin. The cars headed north across Oxfordshire, and into Warwickshire. The Evo VI was leaving the Subaru Impreza behind, says PC Martin, until the VI driver stopped to steal some more petrol, but was surprised to see a police helicopter. Police officers were called in and the offenders arrested. They seem to forget that our helicopter can cut corners they can't, says PC Martin.

In West Yorkshire, the police are so concerned that they have actually sent letters to registered Subaru owners warning them of the problem. In fact, the cars are so well known to the police as potential getaway cars, that all forces keep a close eye on them if they are spotted near a bank or a post office.

But it is the manner in which these cars are stolen that is causing added concern among the police, owners and motoring organisations alike. The letter from the West Yorks Constabulary to Subaru owners pointed to this when it highlighted a frightening scenario of an owner who didn't realise he was being followed, and led thieves to his home. sure enough, the car was later stolen.

Subaru owners on the popular web community ScoobyNet have also reported similar incidents where they have been followed, and many try to avoid driving the same route home twice. If that wasn't frightening ;enough, the RAC Foundation warned motorists in February to be aware of the rising number of car-jacking attacks on high performance cars taking place throughout the country.

A warning that came too late for the Sponsorship Manager for the BMW Williams F 1 team, Christian Vine. Christian's Evo VI was stolen just before Christmas when a man wearing a balaclava jumped in the passenger seat of the Evo VI. His car was parked in a poorly lit car park ( my first mistake, apart from buying the car, he says) near John Lewis in High Wycombe. Just as he started the engine, the thief jumped in ( my second mistake - I should have locked the doors ).
At first I thought it was a prank, he says, but when I refused to get out the guy in the passenger seat produced a screwdriver and held it to my throat. Another man then opened my door and dragged me out the car.

Christian's Evo VI was later used in six armed robberies, mainly on off licences, and was eventually recovered after a shootout with the Flying Squad in which one of the criminals was shot before climbing back into the car.

Follow-up enquires led the police to a warehouse packed with stolen Imprezas and Evos that were believed to have been used in other offences.

Surprisingly, says Christian, the blood staining on the interior was the only damage. He now owns a Porsche, fitted with a tracking device.

If specific cars are being stolen for specific crimes, as a number of Impreza and Evo owners believe, it can be surmised that the car is so crucial to the “success” of the crime, that the criminals will stop at nothing to procure the vehicle in the first place.

And since most cars are now pretty heavily protected against theft, it’s easier for thieves to take a more direct route and commit carjacking or burglary to acquire it.
Security on Imprezas and Evos has increased dramatically over the last five years, thanks to a surge of thefts between 1994 and 1996 that prompted owners to reassess their vehicles' security.

It was terrible back then, says Guy Anderson, whose nation-wide GAP Security company secures cars belonging to Manchester United's footballers.

“The cars were arriving in the UK as grey imports from Japan with no security on them whatsoever. The reason? There is no vehicle crime in Japan, and no need for alarms and immobilisers. It didn't help when the importers got any old Herbert to fit the security, adds Guy.

The RAC Foundation believes this increase in vehicle security is fundamental to the increase in carjackings up and down the country. Such crimes have been reported in Salford, Bristol, the West Midlands and west London.

There is no doubt that, as car security gets better, the criminal will start to target the car with the driver inside, said Edmund King of the RAC Foundation in February.

But this leaves owners in an agonising catch-22 situation: if they fail to secure their car, it is at increased risk from theft; but if they increase security, they themselves are at risk from a more direct and potentially violent theft.

After David from Ireland had his Subaru Impreza stolen he bought another Impreza and after repeated theft attempts turned my home into a combination of Fort Knox and Wembley stadium, installing a driveway post, deadlocks on his doors, window bars, video surveillance, and 500-watt halogen lights rigged up to proximity indicators and a bell. The bell seems to work, he says, it went off at 4am the other day and when I rewound the video camera I saw two guys on my driveway. They walked away when the bell rang.

But David's not prepared to hang around until the criminals turns to even more violent means of theft - the car and house are currently up for sale.

And who can blame him? Even when owners do take strong precautions, some criminals manage to stay one step ahead of the game. Manchester-based Justin's company Impreza came fitted with an alarm and immobiliser as standard, but thieves traced the wiring and stole the car.

The criminals then reversed it through a shop window, stealing loads of fashion clothing, he says. In fact, they gutted the place.

He replaced his Impreza with another, and also erected iron railings across his driveway.

“The thieves must have guessed that I would replace the Impreza with a new one, because they returned and stole that, driving right through the iron railings.

Simon de Banke of ScoobyNet says that members of the web community are genuinely concerned by the threat of violence. The general feeling is that you should make your car a genuine nightmare to steal, but you should back down if you are being threatened. After all, he points out, it's only a lump of metal.

Those who previously owned Sierra Cosworths - and many did - feel they are about to suffer the ignominy of their cars being linked with the shadier side of motoring in the UK all over again. They also believe that if the situation doesn't change soon, they will be left with a car they can't insure, sell or afford to protect.

For the owners of Imprezas and Evos, it is an ominous scenario indeed, but it doesn't have to be that way. Guy Anderson of GAP Security believes tracking devices are the cure.

The cars are so often used in bank robberies and ram-raids, that if the police hold out for a little longer after the car has been traced, they might find themselves being led to another crime, he says.

Subaru UK already fit the RAC Trackstar device to the top-of the-range Pl, and despite not admitting there is a problem with Imprezas being stolen for use in further crimes, they are also considering fitting a tracking device as standard to all new Impreza WRXs.

Subaru wouldn't say which system they've picked, but the Trackstar equipped Pl's have a 100 per cent return rate on the cars stolen in the UK - six have been stolen, and six have been recovered, undamaged, within an hour of the theft.

Despite all this, according to the Home Office Stolen Car Index, the chances of having your Impreza and Evo stolen are slim. The Subaru is a medium theft risk, which means between five and 21 in every 1,000 are stolen, and the Mitsubishi a low risk that's up to four stolen in every 1,000.

So say the statistics. The people we spoke to may disagree with that!!!!

Discussion Starter · #30 ·
when i bought my last car awrx i fitted a cat 1 alrm ,immobiliser the guy who did it also fitted a retriever switch which he reckoned he had invented.
every time you got in the car the device became active, tottally seperate to all the other security all you had to do was to was flick a hidden switch and the car would drive as normal.if the switch was not flicked then the car would run for 60 seconds then sound the horn once, if you still didnt flick the switch 20 seconds later the horn went of continually and the lights would all flash.if you still failed to flick the swich then 20 seconds later the car would cut out with the lights and horn still going. he got the idea from south africa where car jacking was a major problem.if someone took your keys at gunpoint or pulled you from the car with the engine running you could just leave them to it , knowing that 110 seconds later the car would grind to a halt.they can get a fair way in that time but if it went of sooner they could come and get you to turn it of .for obvious reasons i wont say how it was activated, but it was simplicity itself. it was de-activated for servicing and stuff quite easily too and when i lent the car to a mate and forget to tell him, i can tell you it worked a treat.the only bad thing was if you forgot to flick it of the horn (which was bloody load) went of and it allways did it with loads of people about. it only cost £120.00 and was a very cheap Tracker allternative.

Discussion Starter · #31 ·
So it seems that the Evo's poor fuel range is a security feature ! :)

Take further advantage and don't have a full tank whenever possible.

Must check out those cabin smoke devices...........;)

Interesting post , must b the longest ever !
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