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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Anyone own/tried one of these Westfield cars with the Suzuki 1300 engine in.

Seriously thinking of getting one.
Not to happy with building my own from scratch, but newish ones can be had for cheapish money.
Will use it only for track use and the odd Sunday outing.
They seem pretty quick around the circuits I've been on and sound awesome with the sequential 6 speed box.
and have just won the track car of the year in CCC mag.
Probably a lot cheaper to track than the Evo too.

Not too sure about the top and side protection though :)
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Peely

Top car, they make more sense to track regularly. Me and Dave are going down to Caterham in the next few weeks to see what track special we can develop for next year.

Only 460kg, should be a lot easier on tyres and pads etc.:)

Only problem is they are pi55 poor in the wet, and we seem to do a lot of wet or damp trackdays.:(

Are you nipping down to the pub in Belmont next wed night? Adrian and amp; Dave are going - Pesky is always there with his fellow Exigers:D
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Peely

You are correct they are the dogs b*ll*cks for track days, made the E6 seem almost pedestrian and amp; dull , don`t get me wrong the Evo is still the best all rounder bar none.
But for shear fun and amp; driving thrills the Megabusa is at another level, wouldn`t want to drive it on the roads much.

Another option to consider is the new Radical SR3 Tracksport , see www.RadicalMotorsport.com .I was set on the Megabusa untill this appeared, its going to be launched at the Autosport show.
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Drive one if you get the chance......totaly awsome, and amp; more! Cira 400bhp/tonne vs an Evo at 200 bhp/tonne, is the reason. Obviously just a toy... and amp; forget the wet, when nuthin' comes close to an Evo (any number).
I had a great day with Westfield at Curborough. Tried my 7 after the the Meggabussa...Oh Dear!?..Too HEAVY and amp; where did all this understeer come from?.....Then get taken 'round by their demo driver in the M'Bussa.....laughing so much I didnt have time to change my pants!......Non-Evo drivers be prepared to be scared witless....My names on one...decision made!
Austin
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Mmm. I can outdo most sevens except for the ultra-race tuned ones, but they have a tendency to explode in front of me (like yesterday) :)

Mind you, you could by about 3 caterhams for the cost of my EVO :(
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Blade

Your missing the point, its not just about lap times I can run down most of the Caterham and amp; Westfield types plus all the Lotus Exige / 340R etc , but in the Megabusa with its 6 speed seq box / 11000rpm red line its just TWICE AS MUCH FUN :)
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
No, I know, I am just ribbing you here - although that statement about it being twice as fun is only really true of the standard car, and my car has very little to do with a standard car now.

I would say the experience is twice as intense courtesy of the open air and the I've wrapped a car around my body feeling that you get with a low slung racer like a Caterfield. The idea of revving the engine to 10k|PLS| rpm is also appealling, though a Subaru Justy has more torque!

I have also considered one, but what always stops me is when I leave a track day snug inside my car and pass the guys on the motorway in their Caterfields shivering in the cold - or when it rains! Also the lack of torque is off-putting. A Caterham R500 would be my choice, but they break the rules as they are very high maintenance (annual engine rebuilds), but do have a good torque to weight ratio, and a great power-to-weight ratio.

The bike engined cars are amazingly cheap to run though - lightweight does pay dividends on wear and tear to tyres and brakes. Plus the wheels are so small! AND you can take them to proper races as well if you get the appropriate model.

Enjoy your new car!
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
Dave, just picking up on another point there about Exiges. There were 13 of them at an event the other day and were awful really. No problem even for a standard 6 I'd say (as long as you upgrade your brakes). Elises too are just not very good - I used to think they were great, but not anymore.

Mind you, there was this 400bhp Mazda RX7 - and that was both quick and awesome. Nearly as quick as me on the straights too, so impressive, and it was continually flaming! Obviously some money spent there... Porsche 964 RSR and 996 GT3 were awesome too, as well as the usual R500's which are hard to beat. The 550bhp Escort Cossie was awesome, and quick on the straights, but easily left everywhere else - still impressed me though in brilliant orange!

There was an Ariel Atom there, which was pants - and a 340R that was equally pants. They could be driven by bad drivers, but they just never looked impressive anywhere on the track.

Droid's M3 (E46) was very impressive, and very quick. Bit heavy (so suffering with brakes) but amazed how quick it was. It's brakes were better than the standard Evo brakes on my mate's car, which died within four laps of Donnington!

On the road Droid was never far behind me and my friend in his standard 6 struggled to keep up with him.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Blade
I totally agree with you about the Exiges, I have no trouble with them and I`m only running a E6 GSR with std boost / ecu , so it must be a stroll in the park for you !!
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Blade, does your Evo outpace standard Caterham R500's. Would of thought the Caterham with over 500bhp per tonne disappear into the distance. In most magazine's with track tests the R500's have outpaced everything.
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
DaveD6,

I agree totally with your point about fun. Although a lot of peope treat track days as competitions, that's exactly what they are not. I don't really give a flying **** if other people are going faster - unless you are Schuey or Tommi there will always be someone who burns you off. The main point is having fun and improving your driving skills. I am giving up on developing the Evo as a serious track car, mainly for 2 reasons:
1. It's a ****ing money pit and most of us have enough other outgoings and interests to keep up which are not discretionary - mortgage, kids, beer, skiing, wife's spending habit etc.
2. If you choose the right car you can still have a ball on track days - I am doing exactly this and will get overtaken by nearly everyone at Donno next Monday, but I guarantee you I will be having at least as much fun and have dosh left over for everything else in life :D - or maybe I just need a better paid job?

Peely - I've been drooling over a Megabusa but will put it on hold for a while. I'd say go for it, amate of mine has a bike engined Tiger and it is superb fun.

Steve.
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Chuck, it depends what you mean by outpace. On the straights, there is nothing much in it. On fast corners the same, although long curves like Coppice can favour the EVO's superior grip, particularly with slicks. Slow corners favour the R500 because there is still a little understeer left (not much). Don't forget that if you add a passenger to an R500 of average weight, the ratio drops to about 420bhp/ton. Add a passenger, your in the 300's - which is where I am with my EVO :D. Unless it is a bone dry day, the Caterham can't put down all of its power all of the time, whereas the EVO can.

It is certainly a battle, some you win, some you loose depending on the driver. Much the same story with the GT3/RSR. This is of course in the dry. In the wet, it is EVO, EVO, EVO - provided I take the slicks off :D
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
DaveD6, no not doing Monday - did Donny last Wednesday, and am booked again on the 26/11 - so 3 times in one month is a little excessive!

Car is having some surgery, hopefully the new front LSD that Claudius fitted and some suspension mods (minor ones). Also found a fuel leak in the engine bay (YIKES!!!).
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
With a good driver a megabusa or R500 would kill any evo on the straights and round the twisties assuming it was dry, in the wet it would be a different story which is what makes the evo such a great car its good enough for the track and useable as everyday transport and probably a better alrounder.
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
I've just finished building a Megabusa, and given it a quick run up and down the road this week and all I can say is that after owning Scoobies and currently an Evo VI it is just in a different league, completely. The sheer pull and rapid gear change, shotgun sequential just, 12K red-line blows the Evo away. 1st gear is ridiculous, just squirming everywhere, but get it gently(?) into second and from here it is just an attack on every sense of your body, and yes it bones me up solid. Also it spits flames like I've never seen. I really can't put into words the experience of driving the thing, especially after 18 months working on it, but I should be on a (dry) track day soon, so come and have a go, but wear your brown trousers.
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Blade....

surprised at what you say. I'm sure that if you go on the Caterham BBS, R500 and superlight R owners will tell you that any EVO (300-400 brake or otherwise) is simply a mobile chicane for them in the dry.

If your EVO can outbreak an R500/SLR , accelerate as quickly (0-100 in 8secs) and corner as quick then I suspect that the Caterham is not being driven properly. Sorry, don't want to start a war but its plain physics. In all the trackdays I've ever been to I have yet to see any road car touch a high powered Caterham (or a Radical) and that includes Ultimas and GT2's etc...
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Silver7, I am sorry but that just isn't true. I have been on too many outings with high powered caterhams. Of course my EVO is quite a bit different, but you overestimate what the caterhams are capable of, wet or dry. An R500 is tricky to keep up with, but on most circuits it is give and take for both cars. My experience is that it is pretty even, and if the driver isn't up to it, and bottles it in places, then he loses out. The R500 is difficult to drive fast, and the bike engined ones don't have enough torque - so if you can't keep momentum, it will lose out to the superior grunt of cars like the EVO or GT3. I have even seen a standard RS kicking R500 butt. I have lapped 3 seconds faster at Croft than a race prepped 220bhp caterham driven by a pro - I am not a brilliant driver.

I don't want to get into a Caterham/EVO battle - the cars are too different for that. The R500 is awesome, no doubt of that, but it is in many ways like the Elise - the sensation of speed is amazing, that even a 100bhp caterham is fun. 400bhp in an EVO, driving like lightning, gripping to everything - and it seems so easy. That is the difference between these cars. In the Caterham, to go really fast, you need big balls and lots of skill. In the EVO it is pretty easy.
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
Blade..... having said that, a couple of mates said you were very fast at Donny the other day :) Was David Brown's Exige very quick ? Apparently he had problems in the midrange and overheating or something...

Mitserbishi - I'm jealous, Im a total addict of the whole lightweight, anarchic assault on the 5 senses type of car.... must test drive a bike engined caterfield one of these days.
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
What colour was the Exige? I didn't think any of them were particularly quick. Did your mates mention they ####y porsches? They intimidated everybody - and I gave them some intimidation back!
 
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