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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Three questions

1. Is the Makinen worth 2k more than the GSR ?

2. Ive got 2k off list from UK Mitsubishi dealer, plus £1000 worth of Ralliart goodies or Rally trip. Should I expect more ?

3. Should I wait for an EVO VII /

Jonathan
 
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I think you can only answer those questions yourself. It all depends what you think of the TME. If you are asking the questions then you obviously have doubts. If you do go for the GSR then save even more money and buy a second hand one rather than lose £2000-£3000 by driving a new one out of the showroom. I got a 6 month old E6 GSR grey import for £3500 less than the new price. I would never buy a new car for initial amount you lose but then again someone has to buy them in the first place!
If you want to save even more then wait until the VII is launched as VI and TME prices will fall even more. Also wait for more reviews on the VII as it might even suprise us yet!
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Jonathan,

Is the quoted deal off a GSR or a Makinen as well?

Personally I would wait for a VII. (about 10 months for a Ralliart car). They always end up arriving later than quoted, so September probably means November!
 
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Off both cars. Seems they are struggling to sell them.
I thought they only brought in 50 off official Makinens,
but its any choice of colour still.

Jonathan
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
One of the first questions to be asked when some one purchases an E7 is will my old exhaust fit it .
Most E6 with slight mods push the over 300 bhp,.
4s keep up with 5s ,5s keep up with 6s,and 6s will be as good as 7s.
The mak will be the last Rally look alike special edition and may hold more ground ,inlater sell on.
Or wait a little longer and pick up an RS450.
The Escort cossie is still a fanatical car and for have never got near it again.

cheers

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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Shorty,
The exhaust on the VII exits on the offside (drivers side) so VI exhausts won't fit.

The VII is a totally different shell to the VI , so there will probably be a host of detail differences which will prevent the use of performance upgrade items from the VI fitting. So , initially at least the VII owners won't be able to mod their car easily.

Japanese companies will almost certainly be the first to the market as they have the car before the UK.

Mitsubishi are intending to heavily promote the Evo VII) so maybe we will see company types taking them up as company cars , which will be interesting. They wud have to keep them standard though due to insurance restrictions and corporate discipline http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/happy1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >

So expect to see loads of budget starship mileage , thrashed Evo VII's on the market in 2 or 3 years.
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Jonathan

I have a Red Mak and though it would be the 'one to go for' as far as residuals are concerned.
I am now a little worried about the number of red ones I keep seeing in dealers adds, plus Browns in Preston have had one since October, with little interest in it!

Ralliart claim Red and Blue are selling the best plus you can get white, black and silver, all 50 of each, that makes 250 to sell plus a number of GSR, which although un-registered will be getting on for 2 years old.
Second hand values have not bottomed yet! In fact could the VI be one of the highest depreciating cars available when the VII arrives?

Discuss
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
The GSR version is less fun, safer, heavier, etc.

The Makinen RS2 with a/c etc seems the best choise.
 
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Seems like not many people have an opinion. Post read 150 times and 5 people reply !!.

Suprised no-one has any thoughts on GSR vs EVO VI. If it had been STI vs P1 on scoobynet it might of been different.

Spoke to Ralliart today, and the guy there reckoned that the Makinen was not worth the extra 2K. His thoughts were that drive the two back to back without knowing which version you were in would leave you thinking they were the same.

Jonathan
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
I would get a used Evo5 and with the extra money that is saved, use it to mod the car up. Can you say Evo Extreme ?
The car would still have the rally car look (which is nice, to me at least) and able to move as quickly as the Evo6/7.

There really isnt a whole lot of difference between the Evo6 and the 6.5 (makinen edition). It's mostly cosmetic, 1cm lower suspension, lower peak torque, themed interior, different bumper. You probably wont feel a difference driving both.

I think the lack of sales for all cars is due to the outlook of the economy... The Impreza P1 isnt selling well either, neither is the new wrx. When times are not going good, people wont buy expensive cars which suck gas like mad.
 
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I think the lack of opinion is down to very few people being lucky enough to drive both cars back to back!

If it were my money, I'd wait for a cheap used 6 (ideally an RS2 or RSX) to pop up on the 'For Sale' bit of the bbs, and spend the rest hopping it up.

Extreme? Pah! Can you say RS450?
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
I drove both.

I bought a Makinen.

I felt that a limited edition would hold its price better than a standard.

Differences

Steering rack is faster, more darty feel
comes with strut brace, better grip, less twist
tuned suspension , better grip
nicer interior, I like it anyway
different wheels, who cares right ?
torque peaks lower, hardly noticable

having driven both cars, I did feel that the AYC was less noticable on the Makinen than the standard GSR

I also didn't pay list

Cheers
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Hi Jonathan,

I knew you wouldn't have the S4 for long...... http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/happy1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >

I have to say that I'm with Chunky when it comes to what you should go for. I've had my RSX for about 4 weeks now, and it's the most fun you can have on four wheels for a sensible sum of money. Mine is a company motor, so I don't have to worry about the running costs, but even if I did, I think I would still go for it.

I was lucky enough to drive the RSX, GSR and Makinen GSR back to back up at Ralliart in Dudley, and the RSX is definitely the most fun to drive. Sure, you don't get AYC or ABS, but everything else is the same (except for air. con instead of climate control). Personally, I didn't like the feel of AYC, or the false sense of security it might impart. That's not to say it isn't damned impressive, but I just have this feeling that one day you might push just a little bit too far, and have absolutely no chance of gathering it up before the scenery intrudes on you.

If you can find a second hand RSX or an RS/2, then that's what I would go for.

Andy.
 
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I've never had the chance to drive a AYC equipped EVO.
But if I'm not wrong the rs and rs2 have a front torsen lsd and mechanical rear lsd,and the gsr have only rear AYC and no front lsd at all.

Do you feel that the car limits are higher with the AYC? The ayc sounds like a safety option
like the esp for audi,but not as something that will make your car limits higher.

RS450? Noooo.... Let's say BOZZ SPEED 500bhp EVO VI
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Jonathan,

I haven't driven a TME, but studied the spec sheet and it didn't sell itself to me as being worth 2K extra. That said, if you must have a new dark metallic blue evo, then it may be worth it to you, because I don't think that there are any more unregistered icecelle blue GSRs left.

As to the deal you are being offered, it sounds like a good one to me. I only got £1K off list, but I did get £700 more trade-in for my nissan 200SX than I was offered elsewhere (seems asthough the market for 200SX's is even worse, virtually every dealer wasn't interested at all in my 96P 30,000 mile 200SX touring, got £7K trade-in, best Ralliart offer was £6300!!!).

I have driven the RSX, and although the brakes are awesome in the wet, there'd still be a nagging doubt about the lack of ABS. That plus the nicer interior/equipment of the GSR and the fact that I think white cars look a bit pants persuaded me to get the GSR. I'm not a 100% balls-out on the limit driver, so these comments may or may not apply to you.

As for the Evo VII, well who can say until we drive it?

I am a little bit surprised about your new depreciation conscious attitude though - from your posts on scoobynet, you always came across as a have the latest and greatest toy, screw the cost ! If it is a big concern, and you're getting an M3 next year (?), then why not buy second-hand? I certainly would have done if I wasn't planning on an extended period of ownership.

I'm not sure that there are a surplus of evos due to a black outlook in the economy as RA28 says (there's certainly no black outlook in IT anyway). I see lots of new BMWs, porsches etc on my way to work. I just think that priced at around £30K, they're up against a lot of more fashionable competition and that most people with that money to spend don't want a mitsubishi badge on their car, no matter how good it is. Maybe demand has been over-estimated, just like for the P1?

Regards,

Gary.
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Gary

I'm not sure Ive ever been a buy it at all costs type guy. Depreciation is always a concern as I like to change my cars often. I do like to try different versions and yes that probably is a latest and greatest thing (although an S4 can hardly be the latest and greatest). I blame EVO and other car mags. If people didnt keep coming out with better and faster cars I'd be okish. I dont always buy new either - the S4 is second hand. If you want to look at depreciation £41k to £27.5 in 9 months. I hasten to add that only a small portion is for me to fund.


RSX vs GSR

Has the RSX got shorter gearing ?. As I do some - but not too much motorway miles i would prefer longish gearing. My abilities as a driver might also need ABS and all the help I can get from AYC.

I do want an official car as my local dealership will only touch official cars still. At the moment I cant make my mind up. One minutes its an EVO the next a Scooby. If it wasnt for the EVO VII this might be an easy decision.

Jonathan
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Jonathan,

The RSX has exactly the same gearing as the GSR, as it's based on the Japanese RS/2 model, and not the RS.

I was also worried about the lack of ABS on the RSX, but so far it hasn't proved to be a problem (but it's probably too early to make that kind of comment). The brakes are incredibly good, with so much stopping power. If you follow the 'never drive so fast that you can't stop in the distance you can see to be clear ahead' mentality, then you will probably never need ABS. In five years of Scooby ownership, the only time I ever triggered the ABS was when I was testing if it still worked. You might say that I've been lucky in this repect, and I guess that I have. You can never tell what kind of stunt some idiot is going to pull, so I might yet regret not having ABS.

An important thing to think about is your own driving style. If you regularly rely on ABS to get you out of trouble, then you should go for the GSR.

As for AYC, well opinion seems to be divided on this one. The GSR and Makinen can definitely sustain higher cornering speeds because of it, but I was afraid that I would be encouraged into cornering so fast that if I ever did lose it, I would not have the skill to keep it on the road.

It is always important to know your limits, and stay within them. As long as you do this, then I don't think it matters which version of the Evo you go for.

Andy.
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Jonathan

I think we know each other if you are the person I think you are ( did that make sense ) AYC I have driven very hard with it switched off and to be honest don't really think it's that much of a big deal.All the reports of it doing the driving for you are a bit far fetched IMHO.Get a drive in them all and go with your gut feeling. See you at a meet somewhere.

Rgds Kevin A
 
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I went for a red Mak because frankly, I think it looked the business. I still do and I don't regret buying it, not for a second, not ever!

However, I paid way less than UK list price for it (£27k for a 400 miler), would I pay £33k for it now? No, I would CERTAINLY wait for the Evo 7, reputedly on sale at UK dealers for £29k. (I have been quoted £27k from import
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Also, dare I say it, the STi 7 looks mighty attractive too.

This arguement is pointless folks, none of us has driven any of Mistubishi's or Subaru's latest offerings so we really have no right to compare, not yet anyway.

Also, listen to what Kevin says. If you approach a bend and your car kicks its tail out, then you better be there to catch it otherwise its goodbye road, hello wall. AYC is good, but not THAT good!

Cem
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
I run an E6 GSR which was imported and amp; supplied new by Roger Clarke Motorsport, the money i saved compared with the Ralliart prices i have spent on improvements ie uprated suspension, brakes, exhaust, induction system i now have a GSR which performs like the lower spec RS, RSX models along with the toys of the TME which is overpriced @ £32K [ Mill Lane / odiham ].
Regarding the AYC debate i`m concerned about the letting go coments, i do trackdays on a regular basis and have not had any problems, the car breaks away quite smoothly into a control drift/slide which is easy controlled with steering/throttle input. Regards Dave
 
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