[neverneverman]

Are they part of the 'unitary structure' though? In the spirit of the rule they should be ok to come out. It would take someone's £200 to hit the table to find out for sure. I would argue that they aren't part of the structure. :angel:

I left mine in for ease ,as I didn't want to have to take the boot off just to check fuel and adjust the Nitrons.

The blue book is like the Da vinci Codes . .

 

[parksey]

When I used to run an impreza I removed the rear wing completely and fitted a carbon boot. Took the lock off and hinges and aerocatch'd it never had any issues and this was in road going - depends on who the scrutineer is though I suppose

 

[Madmac]

I have the bootlid top section in the oven now. Will be ready about midnight. I took the varis carbon bootlid off and weighed it - 5kg. Add on the wing uprights and centre deck at 3kg and a standard wing at 4kg that's 12kg

My deep chord wing is 1.25kg and hope to get this new bootlid below 2kg. 3kg all-in is maybe pushing it a bit though!

 

[Dragracer187]

Are there anywhere engine pics of this setup in this thread?

 

[Madmac]

Are there anywhere engine pics of this setup in this thread?

Yea there's a few but no idea how far back

 

[Madmac]

That's the boot section out of its mould. Not too bad. The areas I thought wouldn't come out perfect have come out perfect! Some air bubbles in the mould have spoilt it slightly so I've gone over the mould and drilled tiny holes into the pockets so the next part taken will be better. 1200g on the scales so far. Still the upright end 'caps' and inner frame to make.

 

[Tim Radley]

With the blue book I think it can get far to anal and end up with half of the attendees being sent home if arguments start. :blah:

Trust you to find the anal section of Motorsport

 

[plip1953]

Are they part of the 'unitary structure' though? In the spirit of the rule they should be ok to come out. It would take someone's £200 to hit the table to find out for sure. I would argue that they aren't part of the structure. :angel:

Clearly in my view they are not part of the "structure". They are an add-on that acts to provide a support and accessibility function. If anything I think it might be argued that their removal would enhance the integrity of the "unitary structure".

Perhaps a way of validating the extent of what is or is not part of the standard Mitsi "unitary structure" is to look at a bare shell intended for use as a base for a rally use. Aren't these supplied minus quite a number of brackets and other bit and bobs that other parts of the car hang off?

 

[Madmac]

Clearly in my view they are not part of the "structure". They are an add-on that acts to provide a support and accessibility function. If anything I think it might be argued that their removal would enhance the integrity of the "unitary structure".

Perhaps a way of validating the extent of what is or is not part of the standard Mitsi "unitary structure" is to look at a bare shell intended for use as a base for a rally use. Aren't these supplied minus quite a number of brackets and other bit and bobs that other parts of the car hang off?

That's the thing, the hinges are fitted at the factory and instead of bolts at the hinge anchors, they have a pressed steel rivet type fixing so they are not intended to come off. If you bought a shell from the factory, the hinges would come with it.

 

[Unobtainium]

mine just unbolted so not part of the chassis or unitary construction.

 

[plip1953]

It may be a silly question, but is "between hub centres" widthways or lengthways? I'm assuming it means between two lines drawn widthways across the vehicle that each pass through the centres of the driveshafts or wheel bearings (as they pass through the hub), and including everything vertically above and below those line line?

 

[Trev-the-Rev]

The hubs are horizontally opposed so it would have to be width wise.

 

[Madmac]

It may be a silly question, but is "between hub centres" widthways or lengthways? I'm assuming it means between two lines drawn widthways across the vehicle that each pass through the centres of the driveshafts or wheel bearings (as they pass through the hub), and including everything vertically above and below those line line?

Yeah it's the 2 lines through the wheel centres front and rear (axles), everything in between. I guess you could also take the centre line of the hubs front and rear to create a 'box' although it's unlikely any part of the bodyshell is outwith those lines. I just take it as i'm not allowed to modify anything in front of the rear axle centre line and behind the front axle centre line. This includes the rear seat bulkhead and rear parcel shelf.

Interesting that a recently built Modprod car up here has had extensive bodyshell modifications within the wheelbase but has had loads of steel panels cut away and replaced with steel to change suspension pickup points. Very little of the original shell is left and it passed eligibility scrutineering. I think it's how the rule is interpreted again - Must remain in construction and material but modifying it is ok is how I read it. As long as you replace metal for metal and weld it as per original A very grey area and it would probably depend on the scrutineer you get.

If you asked for clarity from the MSA, one scrut would say one thing and another would say differently. The rule isn't very specific about modifications.

 

[Madmac]

Some photos of the bootlid so far. Sorry for the quality. There's joins in the mould at the wing uprights. The line seen will rub away easily though. This is it straight out of the mould with nothing done to it at all.

 

[Trev-the-Rev]

That looks superb, Donald.

 

[grants]

If you asked for clarity from the MSA, one scrut would say one thing and another would say differently. The rule isn't very specific about modifications.

The joys of scruts and the interpretation of tech regulations, both MSA and FIA :wallbang::wallbang:

Some photos of the bootlid so far. Sorry for the quality. There's joins in the mould at the wing uprights. The line seen will rub away easily though. This is it straight out of the mould with nothing done to it at all.

Looking good Donald and no wobbly weeve :smthumbup, what does it weigh

G

 

[Madmac]

The joys of scruts and the interpretation of tech regulations, both MSA and FIA :wallbang::wallbang:

And of course there's the one overriding rule that says if it isn't specifically mentioned it doesn't mean you're allowed to do it :lol:

Looking good Donald and no wobbly weave :smthumbup, what does it weigh

G

You only get wobbly weave if you're using dry carbon weave and resin, as in resin infusion method . The pre-preg is really difficult to move the weave due to the resin impregnated through it. Each section of the part is cut to shape and overlapped with the weave going the right direction as there's no way the prepreg can be formed into the shapes that dry weave can (Varis, Seibon etc). So far this weighs 1.2kg. By the time the inner frame and the end plates are added plus the adhesive to join it all together it will be around 2.5kg. Heavier than i'd hoped but still half the weight of the Varis one I just took off

 

[Unobtainium]

The joys of scruts and the interpretation of tech regulations, both MSA and FIA :wallbang::wallbang:

Yep, it kinda spoils the day. Eitherway, if anyone wants to make any protests then they should find this handy. £££££££££££ :lol:

 

[Flyingscot]

Holy shiznit

 

[Guernsey racer]

Superb work as always Donald!!! :smthumbup

On the MSA subject yes it can be a minefield trying to interpret some of the regs ....... I have had 27 years of it :shake: