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Madmac Motorsport's Twincharged Evo 5

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During the winter build of the old Evo 5 hillclimb slag I decided to look at ways of reducing the turbo lag which was becoming an issue and costing precious hundredths of seconds on the hills last year. It never lacked top end power but the lag really started to get to me and i knew i could make it quicker point to point by reducing the lag - but keeping top end power.
I looked at many possible ways to do this but in the end settled for adding a supercharger to run in conjunction with the turbo.

Designed and built by myself with input from friends and members on MLR, most parts have been fabricated in my garage from whatever was lying around, the end result has been worth the blood, Sweat and tears I've put into this.

We've had her on the dyno at Wallace Performance in Aberdeen and had surprisingly few teething problems considering the unknowns and the huge amount of bespoke parts that needed to be designed, fabricated and made. Initial mapping is done now and the whole package is showing some serious potential! We've decided to keep the system at it's minimum until i do reliability tests and learn how to drive it properly :angel:

I've also designed and built a tubular front subframe and arms (total 9Kg:D) to reduce front weight and while i was at it, it seemed rude not to play with the suspension geometry!

I want to thank a few people for their input and help:

Russ and the guys at Wallace Performance who did the mapping and supplied parts/tea/banter etc. Top guys and never ones to shy from a challenge! Can't thank you enough:smthumbup:D. http://www.wallaceperformance.co.uk/

My mate Steve Marr who is the main technical guru, and who i regularly bugged to ask lots of questions on a daily basis:smthumbup.

My mate Graeme Wight Jnr for his help with the front subframe and major suspension geometry changes, Exhaust and general setting up

Alan Young Engineering Ltd for the quality machined bespoke pulleys and parts, Spot-on parts and great prices http://www.timingbeltpulleys.co.uk/pages/home.php

And everyone else who suffered because of my constant lust for knowledge during the build:smthumbup:D

As yet i've to do some miles and get her setup for the start of the 2010 Scottish Sprint & Hillclimb Championship, so for the moment i'm being realistic about expectations & screwing the nut until i check everything over and get used to driving it. Hoping to do some track testing soon though. I've had her out for a short drive and so far the whole package is working impressively. Instant delivery at anything above 2500rpm with absolutely awesome accelleration in every gear! This is on it's lowest boost setting too....

Over the next few months The guys at Wallace Performance & I are going to refine some of the setup and see what she's really capable of! We know we can find a lot more power & torque with some simple changes.

Meantime i'm happy with the initial results and looking forward to Doune Hillclimb in 2 weeks:D:D Should be fun!

Keep watching....;)

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Hi Donald.

Are you competing in anything else this year, or is it a non competitive project year. ?
No just taking a year out and using my annual racing budget to do other projects. Tiddles is in an air conditioned warehouse so she'll be safe.

I might use the legnum to do a local event. We'll see how it goes ;)

One of the projects is to finalise my tubular front subframe so I can supply them over this next winter
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If you do make any updates to tiddles please keep us informed as its a very good and technical thread when its kept on topic.
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I was going to update the thread soon anyway but Kenny kind of spoiled that. After the engine was bedded in on the WP Garage services dyno the intention was to start on some changes to tiddles but with me starting the restoration of the rover sd1 I changed my plans. Am enjoying the rover work and it's nice to not have a mad panic with getting tiddles ready for the start of the season. Once the rover is finished I'll get on with my subframe again then hopefully get tiddles back here later in the summer.

Am toying seriously with a spaceframe silhouette evo so this may be a turning point for tiddles. Fully bespoke chassis and suspension with carbon outer body. Am costing it out just now. It's an option that may or may not happen, it's just an idea for now. I like the idea but it would be a seriously huge project.

Seeing as I've lost almost 4 stone it would be rude not to put tiddles on a serious diet too ;) So Kenny, I might be a w*nker - but not a fat one.... :D
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Donald, does any project phase you at all:confused::eek::lol: It would be great to see, that is for sure. :smthumbup
Thanks to the moderators for cleaning the thread up again :smthumbup

Tom, no not really. I thrive on the challenges :D
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You can always come and do a share drive to keep yer hand in Donald.:smthumbup
There are sometimes some good deals on flights and no problem with accommodation.
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You can always come and do a share drive to keep yer hand in Donald.:smthumbup
There are sometimes some good deals on flights and no problem with accommodation.
Now that sounds good :). I appreciate the offer thank you :smthumbup

I may well take you up on that one time through the season. We'll speak about it later ;)
Would a full tubular space frame save that much weight over a fully stripped out car?

Be awesome if you do go ahead with it to see photo's of how you made it happen.
Would a full tubular space frame save that much weight over a fully stripped out car?

Be awesome if you do go ahead with it to see photo's of how you made it happen.
It depends how it's built. Some make the chassis so it mimics the evo suspension pickup points and keeps the uprights, hubs and macpherson struts and the same rear links etc. This would be heavier than a bespoke chassis with double wishbones and fabricated uprights but easier to build. By moving away from the evo geometry it can be designed from scratch and built much lighter with suspension that's not restricted in its design or operation and the engine can be moved to help weight distribution. Of course the lighter the car is designed to be the lighter all the suspension can be made, so there's ways to lose hundreds of kilos during the build.

A quality 6mm bolt can cary 10 tons in shear and a 1.5mm wall 25mm tube can carry the same if the load is directed along its length. It's very easy to over engineer everything.

I would aim for 600kg but I think it could be done lighter if it's fully thought out before starting the metalwork.

The plan would be to keep the twin charger at the power it is and use the abundance of power to push massive wings through the air for huge downforce :)

When I see the likes of Steve Marr's Saxon hillclimb car I'm amazed at the attention to the weight of every part. This is the car designed by Martin ogilvie to be the lightest hillclimb car in the world, and it is - at only 220kg with all fluids. Plenty good ideas in cars like this ;)
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You can always come and do a share drive to keep yer hand in Donald.:smthumbup
There are sometimes some good deals on flights and no problem with accommodation.
Thanks John, looking forward to it, should be a good few days.

Have you placed the order for the sunshine on the day?

See you soon :smthumbup
Update - hillclimb related but not with tiddles.

As per posts above John dunne kindly offered me a double drive in his evo 5 at Val Des Terres hillclimb on guernsey. The hillclimb was today, glorious sunshine 24c, couldn't have asked for better weather :D

Having never been here, seen or driven the hill I took it easy on the first practice 38.02 over the line. The hill is quite difficult to learn and with only 4 runs I got down to a 36.77s for 3rd in class :).

John took first in class with a 35.02s run. Well done John :smthumbup

Great day of hillclimbing after a year away. Huge thanks to John for his hospitality and shot of his evo :smthumbup

I spectated at Bouley Bay hillclimb on jersey on Thursday and made a wee holiday of it . That's 2 hills on my list to take tiddles to - absolutely great hills! :D

Photos and videos to follow later in the week.
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Well, what can I say. Fantastic weekend, great to meet you in person Donald and great fun was had thrashing the car on Saturday. Fancy coming down all the way from the highlands and winning a pot!
Doune next eh. :smthumbup
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Well, what can I say. Fantastic weekend, great to meet you in person Donald and great fun was had thrashing the car on Saturday. Fancy coming down all the way from the highlands and winning a pot!
Doune next eh. :smthumbup
Great to meet you after all this time. I really enjoyed the hill and your car is nicely setup too. Thanks for a warm welcome and great hospitality.

The offer is there to drive tiddles at doune. You know how to make it happen ;)

Videos to follow
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Great to meet you after all this time. I really enjoyed the hill and your car is nicely setup too. Thanks for a warm welcome and great hospitality.

The offer is there to drive tiddles at doune. You know how to make it happen ;)

Videos to follow
Ha ha, yes I'm working out a diet plan as we speak ......... lettuce and mineral water for the next few months should see me fit in Tiddles just fine.:smthumbup

Going to be a bit of a culture shock though ........ 450bhp more!!!!!!
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Some videos as promised 😊

My quickest run:

John launching:
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Was certainly consistent on the launches with both of us in the low 1.9s bracket ........ (with no aids)
Not sure the tyres enjoyed being hammered by both of us though.:D
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Was certainly consistent on the launches with both of us in the low 1.9s bracket ........ (with no aids)
Not sure the tyres enjoyed being hammered by both of us though.:D
I was warming the tyres for you :lol:
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Ha ha, I think they were getting a little too hot.:D
Time to lighten the Blue one now I have the Yellow peril.:smthumbup
Yes, now you have a road going evo you can go to extremes with the blue car. Easy 150kg to remove :smthumbup
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Here's a good video of the Guernsey Hillclimb for those interested:

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