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Madmac Motorsport's Twincharged Evo 5

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During the winter build of the old Evo 5 hillclimb slag I decided to look at ways of reducing the turbo lag which was becoming an issue and costing precious hundredths of seconds on the hills last year. It never lacked top end power but the lag really started to get to me and i knew i could make it quicker point to point by reducing the lag - but keeping top end power.
I looked at many possible ways to do this but in the end settled for adding a supercharger to run in conjunction with the turbo.

Designed and built by myself with input from friends and members on MLR, most parts have been fabricated in my garage from whatever was lying around, the end result has been worth the blood, Sweat and tears I've put into this.

We've had her on the dyno at Wallace Performance in Aberdeen and had surprisingly few teething problems considering the unknowns and the huge amount of bespoke parts that needed to be designed, fabricated and made. Initial mapping is done now and the whole package is showing some serious potential! We've decided to keep the system at it's minimum until i do reliability tests and learn how to drive it properly :angel:

I've also designed and built a tubular front subframe and arms (total 9Kg:D) to reduce front weight and while i was at it, it seemed rude not to play with the suspension geometry!

I want to thank a few people for their input and help:

Russ and the guys at Wallace Performance who did the mapping and supplied parts/tea/banter etc. Top guys and never ones to shy from a challenge! Can't thank you enough:smthumbup:D. http://www.wallaceperformance.co.uk/

My mate Steve Marr who is the main technical guru, and who i regularly bugged to ask lots of questions on a daily basis:smthumbup.

My mate Graeme Wight Jnr for his help with the front subframe and major suspension geometry changes, Exhaust and general setting up

Alan Young Engineering Ltd for the quality machined bespoke pulleys and parts, Spot-on parts and great prices http://www.timingbeltpulleys.co.uk/pages/home.php

And everyone else who suffered because of my constant lust for knowledge during the build:smthumbup:D

As yet i've to do some miles and get her setup for the start of the 2010 Scottish Sprint & Hillclimb Championship, so for the moment i'm being realistic about expectations & screwing the nut until i check everything over and get used to driving it. Hoping to do some track testing soon though. I've had her out for a short drive and so far the whole package is working impressively. Instant delivery at anything above 2500rpm with absolutely awesome accelleration in every gear! This is on it's lowest boost setting too....

Over the next few months The guys at Wallace Performance & I are going to refine some of the setup and see what she's really capable of! We know we can find a lot more power & torque with some simple changes.

Meantime i'm happy with the initial results and looking forward to Doune Hillclimb in 2 weeks:D:D Should be fun!

Keep watching....;)

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You popping into Harewood on your way home ?
I didn't realise there was an event at Harewood this weekend. I might pop in past on sat afternoon on my way up to doune :D
Ok I'll see how time goes and try and come in by.
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Good to see you at the harewood event on Saturday . Hope this whole saga comes good again for you . The human race can be a very unreasonable bunch with out mentioning any names just now but take it from me I know exactly where your coming from .
Stephen
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Good to see you at the harewood event on Saturday . Hope this whole saga comes good again for you . The human race can be a very unreasonable bunch with out mentioning any names just now but take it from me I know exactly where your coming from .
Stephen
Do you dislike Norris Designs also? It is proving a hard job to find a mapper that at least a handful of people say is no good
Hope you got to Doune ok and got to drink your cold beers ..
Do you dislike Norris Designs also? It is proving a hard job to find a mapper that at least a handful of people say is no good
If you would like to pm me we can take it from there . I would like to keep mad macs thread clean .
Stephen
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If you would like to pm me we can take it from there . I would like to keep mad macs thread clean .
Stephen
I do not have a PM option. Could I possibly ask for your email address instead
Good to see you at the harewood event on Saturday . Hope this whole saga comes good again for you . The human race can be a very unreasonable bunch with out mentioning any names just now but take it from me I know exactly where your coming from .
Stephen
And good to meet you too Stephen. Sorry I didn't get to stay too long, there were quite a few competitors I haven't seen for a while in the paddock so I got sidetracked. Did you get on better once you changed to the other rubber? What times were you doing? Was a lovely day :)

Do you dislike Norris Designs also? It is proving a hard job to find a mapper that at least a handful of people say is no good
No I don't dislike Norris at all. He has every right to react the way he feels is in the best interests of his business and I'm not holding that against him. He's good at what he does and I wouldn't let personal feelings mix with business.

Hope you got to Doune ok and got to drink your cold beers ..
I did thanks - lots of it too :lol:. The weather wasn't as good as Harewood but at least it stayed dry. Steve humped his class record with a PB 1.3s quicker into the 39's and Les Mutch smashed Lee Adams' record in the Raptor (which is Lee's old car, and the first Raptor built). Les got into the 37's :eek:

That's my cylinder head back so it's just a case of building the engine. There's a sprint at Boyndie this weekend which would be great for shakedown but it's unlikely i'll have the car ready in time :cry:

I'll update the thread as and when :smthumbup
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Do you dislike Norris Designs also? It is proving a hard job to find a mapper that at least a handful of people say is no good
Stephen & Simon do not get on so my advice would be do your own research rather than taking advice off anyone who may have an axe to grind :)
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Stephen & Simon do not get on so my advice would be do your own research rather than taking advice off anyone who may have an axe to grind :)
Simons mapping skills have never been questioned by me though .
Simons mapping skills have never been questioned by me though .
You have me confused then. Several people recommended him highly
You have me confused then. Several people recommended him highly
Then go to Simon . I have already said I am sure his mapping is fine . It's personal preference really .
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Lancashire. Between Blackpool and Preston. I am happy to travel as long as the right person maps it. Cost is not my primary concern
Nick at NR autosport would be more local to you .
Then go to Simon . I have already said I am sure his mapping is fine . It's personal preference really .
It really is quite childish reading back over the last few pages. Some of you guys dropping hints then backing up on those statements. It really does not help the rest of us at all and is pointless. If you have things to say then either get them out or hold your tongue
It really is quite childish reading back over the last few pages. Some of you guys dropping hints then backing up on those statements. It really does not help the rest of us at all and is pointless. If you have things to say then either get them out or hold your tongue
I did say it would be best to start your own thread on the subject rather than go O/T on my build thread. Thanks
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My interpretation would be that if a professional wished to retain the rights to a piece of paid work (be it an engine map or otherwise) then a disclaimer stating the fact should be agreed and signed before commencement of the work surely.
If money has changed hands for a service then one would expect that the person paying the money would become the rightful owner of what he has paid for? :confused:
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My interpretation would be that if a professional wished to retain the rights to a piece of paid work (be it an engine map or otherwise) then a disclaimer stating the fact should be agreed and signed before commencement of the work surely.
If money has changed hands for a service then one would expect that the person paying the money would become the rightful owner of what he has paid for? :confused:
I had a car mapped on ecutek and asked about the map access. They are coded to the master tuners key so nobody but that tuner with his key can access it. Are people saying that having an ecutek map means you should have access to the mappers key? Go to another mapper and they have to start afresh. It has always been this way so why are people getting upset at aftermarket maps which take a lot more time to develop than ecutek maps?

If you buy a coca-cola can do you have the right to the secret formula?

A more pertinent question would be what was the agreement here between the parties? That is only something they know I guess
Folks, Donald has already asked you to start another thread if you want to discuss Simon Norris or remapping rights etc.

Please keep this thread for updates on Donalds car.
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That's the engine built now. I still have to weld the cracked bellhousing at the starter motor area and am going to alter one of the boost pipes and supercharger manifold before it all goes back into the car. So far so good :D

I hope to have her back up and running by Monday, then she can go for running-in and a fettle of the map if needed (engine CC slightly different to the last engine) :smthumbup

I have a few photos i'll post up once the engine is in. I may post up a photo of the complete engine/box/supercharger and belt drive package while it's on the engine crane if I'm in a good mood ;).
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