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I know there is a sticky at the top of the page

Here - http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=521798

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Not trying to open a can of worms but 2 people I know were interested in a nice white 6,

from what I gather the car was sold to the owner by a reputable dealership as a private sale in Japan, never been through auction, really clean car.

Done the check and it comes back as reported damaged, the car had been sold through auctions previously and the report showed the auction sheets as grade R due to damage repair.

All is not lost as the car still looks a lovely example and looks to have been repaired properly etc but its just nice to know prior to purchase so you can make an informed decision.

EDITED - I am NOT saying get hung up on a cars grade, I am saying it is a good idea to do a background check on a fresh import your thinking of buying to give you an idea of mileage and condition at point of import.
 

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I know there is a sticky at the top of the page

Here - http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=521798

You can get it done if you click on the link, current cost is £28.50 / 3500 Yen if paid via paypal.

Not trying to open a can of worms but 2 people I know were interested in a nice white 6,

from what I gather the car was sold to the owner by a reputable dealership as a private sale in Japan, never been through auction, really clean car.

Done the check and it comes back as reported damaged, the car had been sold through auctions previously and the report showed the auction sheets as grade R due to damage repair.

All is not lost as the car still looks a lovely example and looks to have been repaired properly etc but its just nice to know prior to purchase so you can make an informed decision.
Why would you have to be informed of it being a grade R or RA. People are misinterpreting the grading system and then using it to make up their own assumptions about the car.

It's the same as buying a car over here in the UK and the seller or dealer , having to tell each prospective buyer if the cars had a panel repaired no matter how small or minor paint.

How many UK cars go through UK auctions needing paint or a body repair ??? Thousands I bet and people are none the wiser because the way of doing things over here is different to the way it's done and regulated in Japan.

You go on what the car looks like and how it is over here not a report that's graded a car R because MR Chan has reversed it into his garden gate and replaced a boot lid.

When will people learn if the damage in Japan is severe enough to warrant a categorisation it'll be classed as a grade ???.

Some of the so called 'higher grade' cars I've seen 3-3.5-4 are complete heaps underneath while some of the R grades have been graded This because of a silly repair and are IMO a much better car than some of the higher grade cars that I've seen pass through.

The way the economy is at the moment and the way the Yen is against Sterling, let people crack on misleading others and misinterpreting the grading system and try and find those 'mint' Evo's for 6grand. All that's going to be left in a few years is UK versions which have a tendency to rust away or your R grades which are apparently to some Cat D's !!!!
 

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Why would you have to be informed of it being a grade R or RA. People are misinterpreting the grading system and then using it to make up their own assumptions about the car.

It's the same as buying a car over here in the UK and the seller or dealer , having to tell each prospective buyer if the cars had a panel repaired no matter how small or minor paint.

How many UK cars go through UK auctions needing paint or a body repair ??? Thousands I bet and people are none the wiser because the way of doing things over here is different to the way it's done and regulated in Japan.

You go on what the car looks like and how it is over here not a report that's graded a car R because MR Chan has reversed it into his garden gate and replaced a boot lid.

When will people learn if the damage in Japan is severe enough to warrant a categorisation it'll be classed as a grade ???.

Some of the so called 'higher grade' cars I've seen 3-3.5-4 are complete heaps underneath while some of the R grades have been graded This because of a silly repair and are IMO a much better car than some of the higher grade cars that I've seen pass through.

The way the economy is at the moment and the way the Yen is against Sterling, let people crack on misleading others and misinterpreting the grading system and try and find those 'mint' Evo's for 6grand. All that's going to be left in a few years is UK versions which have a tendency to rust away or your R grades which are apparently to some Cat D's !!!!
COULD'NT HAVE PUT IT BETTER:smthumbup
 

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I think it's a usefull feature however as said above, now these cars are getting on, it's more important to buy based on condition.
 

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I think it's a usefull feature however as said above, now these cars are getting on, it's more important to buy based on condition.
It's a great feature no doubt Ant, I don't dispute that what so ever. What I don't like is people / a small group of individuals that usually reside here, that abuse the system to their advantage, offer half the price of the vehicle to a seller, saying that an R grade is 'completely ****in fuxked mate' They then wait a few months for things to settle down and pop it on a forecourt or gumtree/ Ebay for more than what they've paid for it.
 

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Which is why I put the car still looks excellent condition

However it's not about the grading it's more the fact it's showing a marker against being repaired, I believe this is the equivalent of it being on the V car register in the U.K.

It also gives the buyer and indication and a nice to know and see, so they can make a judgement call.

However being told that it's a non auction car by a trader and that it was bought privately, makes this a good check also
 

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Which is why I put the car still looks excellent condition

However it's not about the grading it's more the fact it's showing a marker against being repaired, I believe this is the equivalent of it being on the V car register in the U.K.

It also gives the buyer and indication and a nice to know and see, so they can make a judgement call.

However being told that it's a non auction car by a trader and that it was bought privately, makes this a good check also
The way that everything is recorded and registered in Japan is different. All accidents that the insurance company get involved with regardless of the severity are recorded.
A grade R isn't a V registered car, I've seen 2 auction houses grade the same car as 3 and the other grade it R. This also happened recently with a Red makinnen that was graded R because it needed paint.

People need to stop with this it's not only ruining people perception of cars it's ruining the Evo scene to an extent.
 

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Regardless of why the car was graded an R at auction, it is going to worth less than one that wasn't.

I've said in the past there's nothing wrong with buying a Grade R car, as long as you know it's a Grade R. You can do more thorough checks and inspection's and you can also prepare for the financial hit when you come to sell as you can bet your bottom dollar the next buyer will be checking the grade.

I think also that saying the HPI check is ruining the Evo scene is looking at it completely wrong, its the traders and importers who are importing them and selling them at premium prices that are ruining things. Everyone likes a bargain, no-one likes been ripped off to fund a dishonest trader.
 

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its not only about whether the car was being repaired, its also about importer being honest about a car they are selling. Personally I would like to know if the car was being involved in accident or not regardless of the quality of the repair. Grading has gone tits up over last year and would never take it as gospel but at least it gives some indication on state of the car
 

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Regardless of why the car was graded an R at auction, it is going to worth less than one that wasn't.

I've said in the past there's nothing wrong with buying a Grade R car, as long as you know it's a Grade R. You can do more thorough checks and inspection's and you can also prepare for the financial hit when you come to sell as you can bet your bottom dollar the next buyer will be checking the grade.

I think also that saying the HPI check is ruining the Evo scene is looking at it completely wrong, its the traders and importers who are importing them and selling them at premium prices that are ruining things. Everyone likes a bargain, no-one likes been ripped off to fund a dishonest trader.
Problem is is people commenting in this thread have a personal agenda with the importer. Who said it's actually gone through auction and sold through auction. Maybe it was sent and unsold through auction and then purchased as a private buy??

Once people get over their personal agendas and chest beating and base things on fact, things will be a lot easier.
 

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Regardless of why the car was graded an R at auction, it is going to worth less than one that wasn't.

I've said in the past there's nothing wrong with buying a Grade R car, as long as you know it's a Grade R. You can do more thorough checks and inspection's and you can also prepare for the financial hit when you come to sell as you can bet your bottom dollar the next buyer will be checking the grade.

I think also that saying the HPI check is ruining the Evo scene is looking at it completely wrong, its the traders and importers who are importing them and selling them at premium prices that are ruining things. Everyone likes a bargain, no-one likes been ripped off to fund a dishonest trader.
Please give your view of a Grade R car??? - if it has had a wing replaced and a bonnet because someone has dropped something on it , or the large hail stones hit it , its likely to be graded down - yes

That is exactly the same as brand new cars here in the uk - hundreds get painted before they have even reached the owners from new .... let alone at 16 years old.

Me personally think you are mis representing the gradeing system in japan and do not fully understand it - Its literally one mans view when they go through auction and a guide.
 

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it makes no difference to me so I have no agenda,

its not my car and I wasnt looking to buy it, I have not named the seller or the car either

my point was the owner didnt know and was told differently, if that was me then I would not be happy so the check is worth doing prior to buying

no idea why its got a rod up your back

now you know of this check would you buy an import without doing one ?

some people are paying 20-50k for these cars and its no different to running a UK HPI on a UK car, I wouldnt buy a UK car without a HPI check, as we know they do not show up all repairs etc but its just part of the buying process

I am not for one minute saying get hung up on the grade of a car
 

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I think It bad it's now being made clear that an R grade is **** and worth half the money of a 4 which IMO isn't really right. Because of that "certain" traders are hiding it.
 

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it makes no difference to me so I have no agenda,

its not my car and I wasnt looking to buy it, I have not named the seller or the car either

my point was the owner didnt know and was told differently, if that was me then I would not be happy so the check is worth doing prior to buying

no idea why its got a rod up your back

now you know of this check would you buy an import without doing one ?

some people are paying 20-50k for these cars and its no different to running a UK HPI on a UK car, I wouldnt buy a UK car without a HPI check, as we know they do not show up all repairs etc but its just part of the buying process

I am not for one minute saying get hung up on the grade of a car
it is totally differant to a hpi in the uk - its one mans decision to what many 10-25 year old vehicles are graded at.

You see the same cars go through auctions one week graded a 3.5 then asame car put into differant auction graded a R.

THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULDNT JUMP TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS WITHOUT SPENDING SOME SERIOUS TIME IN JAPAN - THATS ALL IM SAYING
 

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I think what Barrie is trying to say is it's now being made clear that an R grade is **** and worth half the money of a 4 which IMO isn't really right. Because of that "certain" traders are hiding it.
No - totally wrong - im not saying that at all - read my post clearly and slowly:smthumbup
 

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it is totally differant to a hpi in the uk - its one mans decision to what many 10-25 year old vehicles are graded at.

You see the same cars go through auctions one week graded a 3.5 then asame car put into differant auction graded a R.

THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULDNT JUMP TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS WITHOUT SPENDING SOME SERIOUS TIME IN JAPAN - THATS ALL IM SAYING
Thanks Barry, this is exactly what I'm saying. Too many people with a hidden agenda or have the feeling they've been ripped off without fully understanding the grading system.
 

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it makes no difference to me so I have no agenda,

its not my car and I wasnt looking to buy it, I have not named the seller or the car either

my point was the owner didnt know and was told differently, if that was me then I would not be happy so the check is worth doing prior to buying

no idea why its got a rod up your back

now you know of this check would you buy an import without doing one ?

some people are paying 20-50k for these cars and its no different to running a UK HPI on a UK car, I wouldnt buy a UK car without a HPI check, as we know they do not show up all repairs etc but its just part of the buying process

I am not for one minute saying get hung up on the grade of a car
Your is what is known as a "pin puller". A few of your pals G you up to put up a thread regarding a car you know little about. You then smash the keyboard buttons 'pull the pin out of the hand grenade' then sit back and watch the party.

I have no rod up my back what I have is respect for people and temperament which allows me to try and understand all aspects before posting.
 

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I am not talking about the grading system,

On the top of the check it shows the car in question as being damage reported, can someone in the know explain where that comes from please

 

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Your is what is known as a "pin puller". A few of your pals G you up to put up a thread regarding a car you know little about. You then smash the keyboard buttons 'pull the pin out of the hand grenade' then sit back and watch the party.

I have no rod up my back what I have is respect for people and temperament which allows me to try and understand all aspects before posting.
nope I am actually trying to be helpful

its seeming more obvious you know the car in question so have an aganda ?

Would you not advise a friend or forum member to carry out a check before spending ££££ on an import car ?

Would you use the service yourself if you had been offered a fresh import with no data sheet ?
 
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