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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
hi, im a newbie in this forum

im from australia and i would like to know which evo is better, I,II,III or IV

and how do they compare to the gts-t skylines

if anyone is from australia
my icq is 33892807

and how much do these evos cost in australua
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
E1 is better because it is lighter/cheaper
E4 is better because it is faster/newer
Other 2 are somewhere in between! http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/wink1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >

Seriously, all the cars you mention have their pros and cons. This is pretty much how I see it:

E1 - Cheapest option, still 250hp and 4WD but getting a little long in the tooth for some?
E4 - Most expensive, 280hp and a more modern shape with more scope for tuning. Has AYC though which is a benefit/liability depending on your point of view.
(E2 and E3 on a sliding scale betwen these 2)
Skyline GTS - 280hp but heavy, so slower than any of the Evos out the box. Major hp can be released quite easily and you've got that RWD for playing on roundabouts [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/wink1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > Not as nimble as the Evos.

Remember getting/keeping compliance and insurance on any of these cars in Aus can be a pain depending on where you live.

There is a [URL]useful PDF[/URL] of the differences between the various Evolutions on Mitsubishi Japan's website [URL]http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/PRODUCTSS/lancer_evo7.html[/URL]

You'd be better asking about prices on the [URL]GSR_Evo list[/URL], plenty of Aussies there to lend a hand.
 
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The E3 is by far the best one http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > not that I am biased at all [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >

Seriously though, I would be very much inclined to steer away from the 4 (or even maybe a 5) - scarey stories told about the ECU/AYC issues. Also others have told me that the power/weight ratio of the 4 is not that great [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/sad1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > in comparison to E3 or E5/6 - something to do with overengineering???

Anyhow get the 3!!! [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/wink1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
There is honestly not much difference between the Evo 1,2 and 3. The fact that the 3 will be a newer and hopefully less abused car would be the reason to go for it. The 3 has the more outrageous body kit, but that is about it. The power goes 250, 260 270 for 1,2 and 3, put you will probably work on it anyway and then there is really no difference. If anything, the tuning potential of the 1 and 2 are higher than the 3 because the compression is lower (8.5:1 vs 9.0:1).
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Hey Wreckleford, don't forget about the 20% increase in body rigidity with the 3's, different upholstery on the seats, and don't forget about that second i/c sprayer
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
The 3,and I think the 5, were the most successful evos based on the number of rallies they won.
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Looking further into it all, new in the 3 was an Active Control 4WD System and an anti lag device/ Post Combustion Control System (PCC). The anti lag is of the bang bang variety and is disconnected for road use because it produces positive boost pressure at idle and therefore possibly unacceptably high under bonnet temperatures when stuck in traffic say, and of course for it's noisy unsocial behaviour.
The 4 had a hefty 90kg increase in weight.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Actually I have a local magazine evoIII review from when the car first came out here detailing the PCC system in it and more reference to it on a Mitsubishi site as being new in the EvoIII. Not that I've delved into my cars motor to find it or anything.
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
So arron, seeing as this PCC thing is on the engine, but disconnected, is it possible to reconnect it?? Or is this something that needs to be added on?? as I heard that it has the ability to have this added.
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
In the review I still have at home the reviewer said something along the lines of it just needed a turn of the right banjo bolt or something, implying it was there but blocked off from working. Also i now recall asking a guy in a South Auckland garage - like 5 or 6 years ago- that modded cars about differences in the 3 from the rest and his first and only response was that it had anti lag/better throttle response. Maybee best to ask the guys at Ralliart.
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Don't forget that the 3 also has a slightly bigger compressor wheel on the turbo - big 16g vs. small 16g which gives it a few extra hp potential.
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
ok, so one guy on the yahoo gsr_evo list who's`spoken to Ralliart reckons that to awaken the anti lag on the 3 you need a special Ralliart ECU and some playing around under the bonnet with solenoids and the like. But of course the bang bang noise when the throtle closes would #### off your neighbourhood no end, apart from other considerations.
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Couple of things:

I was not aware that the Evo III was more rigid than the 1 and 2. How was this achieved?

Compression on the III is 9.0:1 not 9.3: 1.

I have read before that the Evo III had the PCC system (disconnected)but I don't beleive it. I have looked extensively under the bonnet of a few Evo IIIs and see no signs of any sort of PCC system like that of the 4 and up. If the system was completely software based then I don't think it is right to say the car came with it but it was disconnected. You could then say the same about the I and II, because all it would/does take is a change of ECU to achieve anti-lag (such as droppping in the GEMS implant).
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Hmm I was reading a time line of the various evo's and the rigidity was one of the improvements over the 2, that was made for handling.

As for the Bang bang PCC I want it http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >
I am sure the rest of the neighbourhood would love living around a WRC rally circuit [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/happy1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/biggrin1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/wink1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >

Looks as though I will be needing to contact Ralliart to have a chat then huh [img]http://www.ltregister.f9.co.uk/graphics/happy1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > Unless someone can confirm that this is a simple turn of a bolt or something to that effect....
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
From reading up on Evos over the years it seems to me that Mits do actually make many 'minor' revisions with each Evolution, it's more than just a few more lbs/ft and a new badge every year. One of the things that is often mentioned are the structural improvements, sometimes highlighted (see the ubiquitous evo7.pdf) mostly mentioned in passing though.

I would suspect that the III has improvements in chassis stiffness over the I and II that couldn't be gauged simply by looking at one, although this could probably be said of any Evo and it's immediate forebears. This is one of the things that many people overlook when trying to turn a GLXi/Proton/whatever into an 'Evo', it takes more than just a 4G63 and 4WD to make an Evo. The Evo 3 was after all the car that raised the Lancer from a rallying also-ran to a true World Champion.
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Just to clarify what I was saying, i ncase it was misunderstood:

When refering to looking over an Evo III, I was refering specifically to whether or not the PCC system is present on them or not. On the IV to V you can clearly see the piping that goes from the intake just before the throttle body, to the air valve or whatever it is called and then running from there to the exhaust manifold where it connects by two banjo bolts. None of this is present on the III. If anyone wants anti-lag on their I (or II, III up to VI), just shell out the money and buy the gems implant. I guarantee you will not get anti-lag on a III just by loosening a banjo bolt etc. Magazines write a lot of crap sometimes.

With regards to the stiffness, obviously, if thicker gauge metal (for example) was used to make the III stiffer, you would not be able to see it and I was not suggesting that you would be able to look at a III and see where it is stiffer. I was only curious as to how the increased stiffness was achieved.

There are several differences between the I, II and III, but none are as large as the differences between the III and IV or even the IV and V. Honestly the biggest reason why I would buy a III over a I or II is the fact that it is a newer car. As an owner of a I, there is no way I would upgrade to a II or III as there is not enough difference in them to justify what it would cost me to trade up.
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Well I guess at the end of the day the proof of the pudding is in the eating. As Chunky says the fact that the EvoIII finally brought Makinen and Mitsubishi to the start of their record WRC reign must say something about the superiority of the car.
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
I think we already established that the III is better than the II is better than the I. It's just how much better that we are discussing.

Despite homologation rules, you really can't directly compare the rally car to the road car. They are quite different beasts.
 
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