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A friend of mine might be doing a project on a EVO 6, firstly this sounds daft, but he is going to take the engine out of the car, and secondly, he is going to fit a High powered Cosworth engine in is place, he is just wondering if you would have to get an uprated gearbox to cope with the extra horse power...

He does know that the turbo will be on the wrong side of the engine bay not at the front , and that it will be east to west not north to south, the engine that he wants to fit is a 500|PLS|bhp, with T04 turbo and 8 injector plelum, the reason being is that he wants the power like a cossy and the handling like an EVO, something like the cossie never had....The guy knows what he is doing to be honest when he is modifing cars, the only thing thats stoping him from putting it in the EVO6.is the transmission like drive shafts,front and rear diff's,gearbox, basically all the drive train.....thought I would ask you people as you know what the EVO 6 can take and what it can't !! Any replies are welcome good or bad...there is no problem
Personaly I think he is mad ..... but when he has an idea he normally executes it... He knows that he will lose value on the car but he has plenty of money.....lol..
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Your friend is not mad.......JUST STUPID:)

The Cossie engine is a tractor compared with the Mitsi engine.I know I have owned many Cosworths.
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Marc,
Sounds like a mad job to do such a conversion, would your ;) 'M8' ;) not be better off spending money on a GRP A EVO 6 like Tommi use to drive 'he has plenty of money', awesome power and handling, proper chassis to cope with the torque or maybe just go for a JUN conversion, fit the Cossi engine in a ex WRC escort shell with the right running gear save all the unneccessary hassle trying to make Cossi/Evo hybrid, will be interested if you do manage to pull it off though. Good luck! :)

BTW check out Blade's mind blowing EVO (the white RSX) in Banzai magazine (Feb/Mar) issue.
 
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Your friend is not mad.......JUST STUPID:)

The Cossie engine is a tractor compared with the Mitsi engine.I know I have owned many Cosworths.
I know is mad idea..... but we are talking a genuine 500|PLS| bhp dynoed engine with 470ft lbs of torque ,I don't think thats a tractor engine do you to be honest,......he allready has a 500|PLS| bhp Escort cossie, he just wants to do something mad like a cossie/Evo thing is possible, he doesn't want to do it to a Scoob because of it's low center gravity thing, it might toatlly un-balance the cars handling
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
500bhp cossy |PLS| Evo 6 |EQU| Evo 6 with cossy engine |PLS| cossy with Evo engine

Sell cossy and evo engine |EQU| lots less cash then 500bhp cossy

I think that makes sense?

Now why not just sell the cossie, judging from other cossy sales in exchange and mart he'll get maybe 15k for it? now if he buy's an Evo 6 and spends the 15k (or more if you say he's got loads of cash) on modding the Evo he'll have a much better car. Even if he just spends 15k on the engine I'd guess he could get 500bhp from it.

What ever he does, sticking 500|PLS|bhp in the Evo will require other things upgrading, brakes, sus etc.....

Just a thought


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The Cossie engine is agricultural compared to the EVO. It doesn't have counter balanced shafts, so won't rev like the EVO, and has a far lower compression ratio - so off boost performance is shite.

It would cost less IMHO to produce an EVO with the same power or more than the cossie engine for less.

The biggest problem would be trying to mount the cossie engine (which is normally positioned longitudinally) in the relatively small EVO bay (which is transverse). The engineering required to mate to the EVO gearbox would be extensive. The EVO is configured like a FWD car with the gearbox to the side of the engine, not in the transmission tunnel like the cossie.

Either this is a joke, or your friend has no idea! You could get 550bhp from an EVO for about £10k - half for the turbo and half for the internals and injectors. This would have about 480lb/ft of torque too.
 
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I have to agree with Barry and Blade, having owned cossie's in the past, the evo engine is in a different league to the cossie in its smoothness, power delivery etc. I think it is an absolutely ridiculious idea, why on earth would you want to fit a 20 year old design engine in an evo when you have a far superior engine in design, material spec and tolerances fitted as standard. It must be a wind up, or the man's a complete fool.
 
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This defo no wind up the man knows all this as he is into rally/ race cars, he owns the fastest cossie in the country which has been tested with Daytron timing gear ,his Escort cossie @ Bruntingthorpe pulled 188.6 mph, 0-60 3.2 secs 0-100 7.8 secs, 1/4mile with road tyres.
[email protected] mph....and all with the dodgy chasis .He also holds the record for towing a caravan 128.8mph he beat the Dodge Vipers world record with his 4 pot engine
and he built this Escort cossie himself so he does know what he is up against...this car that he built cost him about £30,000, to much to list but every thing has been uprated ! Big brakes 355's front discs, platted front/rear diffs up rated shafs ,quaif gear box, Bilstein front and rear coilovers, every thing rose jointed, the car is proper if you was to see this car perform you wouldn't get your breath!! He wants to make one of the fastes EVO's in the country aswell, I know he can do it ,because he has proved his cossie time and time again even when the critics try to prove him wrong.
We know that the connecting rods are the weakest link in the EVO engine and also the crank for when you try to get about 400|PLS| bhp out of it
A tuner at the moment is trying to get a genuine 450bhp @ flywheel On a dyno,out of the EVO engine.Changing the crank and rods (I can't mension the tuners name for legal reasons) and not using the japanese management they are using a pectal 6 management system with a 56 crank postion and a different Turbo and housing an other things
so if any you know what gearbox and diffs ,would be able to take 500 bhp info would be great!! he don't mind what the price cost of the stuff that no problem he just doesn't want to go through Trial and Error
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
You will see how good his Cossie is when you are at Alconbury in july and see the car for youself if you thing i am lying you lot are in for a shock !!no a fence ,but see the car for youself :D
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
I can see the reasoning behind it but I have to agree you would be better off selling the Cossie and modding the Evo engine simply because it would be easier to do. I have seen an M3 with a developed Range Rover V8 engine in CCC a while back and that made sense (far cheaper to mod a Rover V8 than a BMW engine and it was quite easy to mate up to the RWD transmission) but the Cossie, Evo swap doesn't really add up as I think it would require fairly major surgery to sort it. Better to bite the bullet now and upgrade the Evo engine than chuck cash at trying to mate the Cossie up and finding out its near impossible later on.

Now an Evo with a V8 that would be worth seeing :D
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
He is not selling his cossie he is just buying the evo to do the conversion with the spare engine. he is planning to having it ready for summer
all goes well think some of the bulk head will have to be removed for the big T04 and the housing and a speicaly made exhaust ...I know he will do it ,cos he is nuts and he is on about changing both diff ratio's
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Marco

Why doesn't Martin tune the Evo engine, it's no more difficult than a cossie. The Japs have plenty of big BHP Evo's, I would have thought it would be nice to have a quick cossie and some quick Jap Crap ;)

By the way how's Harvey getting on with his Evo engine, last I heard he was a bit busy and hadn't got started.

Rgds Kevin
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
BTW the evo engine with it's balance shafts started life over 20 years ago with just an 8 valve head.

IMHO the guy is off his trolley - no evo owner will ever respect an evo with a Ford lump. No matter how fast.

Why not put a twin turbo big block V8 in it ferchrissakes!!! 1000hp|PLS|.

I think this is a very sad project indeed. I can understand putting powerful engines into cars that never had them in the first place but when the car in question has a bloody beautiful motor in it already.....

Why not buy an evo 3 - get a big port 1G/VR4 head fitted - a big big turbo (T78) and go for over 700hp.
There's drag cars in the states with 4g63's of this sort of power.
Pulling 8 second 1/4 miles.
Even a Lancer 2000EX in Trinidad with at least 600hp. (SKF Lancer)
 
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Marco you still don't get it, and your info is wrong. It is not about your friends capabilities, just his judgement. There are no limitations to the EVO's engines - it is MORE capable than the pinto based cosworth engine.

Get a set of internals, bigger turbo and injectors and you are done. There are plenty of EVOs running and amp;gt;500bhp in Europe, so your man would need a 600bhp|PLS| EVO, which is easily possible as lightspeed said.

The standard gearbox is fine - it is torque that destroys boxes, and the standard one is ok for 500-550Nm of torque. Any more than that and you wil need a dog box. Would suggest the Hewland/Ralliart one, bloody expensive at £10k. Prospeed do one about £4k. Quaife and Gemini do them, but not with a high enough torque rating.

Would suggest you get the cusco tarmac gear to get the 65:35 split and a front LSD. If it is a drag car, then standard suspension is fine - just change the springs and fit HKS pillowball mounts, strut braces and lower braces - uprate the bushing all round.

As for a genuine 450bhp at the flywheel, mine will have that as soon the injectors and new ECU are on, no question. There are UK EVOs with genuine 500bhp|PLS|. Sweden (prospeed) have EVOs with 450|PLS|, so your tuner you mentioned is a bit behind. I would guess they had the initials RCM... am I right?
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
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Marco

,Why doesn't Martin tune the Evo engine it's no more difficult than a cossie. The Japs have plenty of big BHP Evo's, I would have thought it would be nice to have a quick cossie and some quick Jap Crap ;)

By the way how's Harvey getting on with his Evo engine, last I heard he was a bit busy and hadn't got started.

Rgds Kevin
Hi Kevin

Why doesn't Martin tune the Evo engine it's no more difficult than a cossie.

Evo engine to make 500|PLS|[email protected], he recons the block, rods,crank pistons turbo, the hole lot has to be changed, if he was to do it would cost about 20,000 just for the engine and the bits ,then you got the rest of the car to do, and the cossy engine 500|PLS| bhp he has already got, Built a brand new engine a few months ago

By the way how's Harvey getting on with his Evo engine

I thought that was Top Secret thats why I didn't say any thing about the tuner

The Japs have plenty of big BHP Evo's,

I don't know why he doesn't import a tunned engine from Japan!! is there any EVO' s in japan with over 500|PLS|britsh BHP, not japanes bhp is measured different it shows less on britsh rollers or dyno's

last I heard he was a bit busy and hadn't got started.

It's getting hold of Ahmed Is the problem..LOL
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
I would guess they had the initials RCM... am I right?

er don't know :D


He has had the evo engine a long time!!
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
If he does the conversion,just make sure he does'nt call it an Evo,and will we see it featuerd in Max Power Magazine? And what colour will it be PINK!
 
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