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my evo holds on as good as any car iv driven .your tyres could be at fault ie low tread or just crap .back end leaving go ? into corner ? would point to braking into the corner too hard which makes the car over light at the rear and then breaks away ? also is this in the damp salty roads or what ?
 

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i thought my car handled crap with toyos T1 Rs ,they just dont grip but thats my opinion on them .bridgestones potenza ( forget which numbers ) they have a 2 inch semi slick out side edge on them .these tyres are the dogs.good ware rate and feel very good and grippy.100% reccomend them .
 

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bridgestone thats it ,look no further .i havnt seen a bad word about them and i buy them for approx £116 a corner so not silly money .talking of bikes ,the new R1 is looking good .think it will be hard to say no to one. :coolsm:
 

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iv recently sold my 05 R1 and im missing it already .im going to see what i feel like come warmer weather .the 07 R1 just sounds so good with all the new gadgets ,slipper clutch and the electronic induction system aswell as the fly by wire throttle .should have ironed out the sluggish mid range that the 05 bike suffered from .
 

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mattty said:
RE70 Standard fitment on STI scooby.....I think

by all accounts a good tyre.......
think thats right without looking ,my car needs the bushes doing and it still handles very good .when iv polly bushed it it should be even better.iv seen stis fitted with them from new ( that tells you something ) .
 

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my evo never understeers too ,im not over aggressive and on a 4x4 high powered car its a good thing to oversteer.what you dont want in a car going into a tight corner on a country lane is understeer .if you do you will be saying hello to the cows .
 

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just to clear up my earlier post ( my evo never understeers ) in fact all cars do but some more than others .i should say i dont have an understeer problem .evos respond well to being driven hard into and out of corners especially powering round the corner power drifting .on gravel the rear comes round nicely aswell which is what you want it to do .rear comes round then power through .on gravel done the right way flick the car so the rear comes round ( when front of car is pointing at the apex full power is applied ) .it is very similar to tarmac driving obviously tamed down a bit .
 

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a good rally driver just sets the car up for a corner and does it without even thinking about it .ask him how he does it afterwards and hed probably just shrug his shoulders .its called Natural Abilaty ,you either have it or you dont .
 

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Aidy said:
Can you ride a push bike? Do you remember when you first started and it was really hard? If you effortlessly got on a bike and rode it, and someone asked how you did it what would you do? Shrug your shoulders and say you don't know.

Were you born with a "natural ability" to ride a bike?
well yes ,as it happens i could ride a bike as soon as i could walk . :D
 

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Aidy said:
> Perhaps we have just got a natural ability to drive these cars properley.

No. What you do have is overconfidence in your knowledge of driving. I won't comment on "natural ability", but what I do have is a fair amount of professional driver training which I'll choose to put more faith in.

> what I said was I can't remember either of my Evos under steering
> through too much power on a corner

That's because you are applying the power too suddenly. Refer back to my previous point...be smoother with the power and you'll find the understeer you think your car lacks.
it doesnt matter how much pro driver training someone has .if the driver is clueless about handling and has no idea then that driver will never be any good at driving at serious speed.drivers like ,Mcrae bros ,Wilks ,Loeb etc ,do you really think they have had pro driver training ? my money would be on NO .driver training is mainly for Volvo drivers who fancy getting upto the national speed limit safely.
 

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Aidy said:
And cos you're read other people write about doing it doesn't mean you can do it either.

Before you dig any deeper a hole I suggest you learn from Honest Abe;

"It is better to keep your mouth shut, and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it."
yes ,well spotted John .i spotted several grammer mistakes in Aidys post too . cos ? and a better way would have been to say .Before you dig the hole any deeper .just sounds better .
 

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i dont need any training on tarmac thanks .im not far off buying a rally car but even with no training a mate that does rally says il be ok at it .most pro driver instructors would be stuck for words if they were put into a 330bhp rally car period. im not just going to arrive at a forrest and drive ,il be doing some training on a private area .just throwing the car around and getting to do things like left foot braking adjusting brake bias and that type of thing . learn what to do ie if you look like over shooting a corner a lot of it is sheer balls to plant that throttle at the entrance to a haipin takes some guts.gentle just doesnt work .
 

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MikeBee said:
good luck with the rallying then. think we should take bets as to how many events it takes you to have a serious prang!

do you think loeb/schumacher/any top driver got to the top of their game by just being ignorant and not taking any advice or external training and just messing around on some tarmac/gravel?
Shumacher started in karting like a lot do .i didnt say i wouldnt take advice on rally driving but not just from a pro driving instructor that knows nothing about it .il probably teach myself and help from mates who already rally .theres only one place to really learn and thats in the driving seat in a rally car in the forrest .Matt Wilson was in a rally car before he even had a driving licience.
 

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MikeBee said:
good luck with the rallying then. think we should take bets as to how many events it takes you to have a serious prang!

do you think loeb/schumacher/any top driver got to the top of their game by just being ignorant and not taking any advice or external training and just messing around on some tarmac/gravel?
where do you think the Scandinavians learn ? obviously going to the corner shop etc in the snow giving it some .not from training .
 

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even to finish in the top 20 of a forrest rally ,wouldnt mean your that fast really .as soon as you get out of the top 10 on national events the times drop a lot .lots of variables like car breaking ,bit of luck ,just one small mistake and your way down the order .ie you could set a top 4 stage time but end up 30th .the biggest variable is the amount of cash to throw at the car .better the car the easier it is to go faster .the top guys are just way above the rest in sheer skill.
 

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JonRS2 said:
Now that's what you call over steer :crackup:

You don't need anywhere near that much or any at all to corner quicly though.
for some reason it didnt work on my pc that clip ,im presuming it was a clip of marko martin going round a long hairpin right hander ? completely sideways well before the the corner started and stays that way on full throttle all the way round .CLASS..
 

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MikeBee said:
i think you'd be suprised. the guys driving in the top 20 are mostly very good drivers or have serious serious cash. props to the guys in the mk2 escorts too who hold their own against expensive machinery! always good to see.

agreed on money though. some of the chaps throw serious cash at the cars and do well but can't drive that well at all.
the money in a car makes it easier for a driver to be fast ,like you say .im not saying the drivers after the top 10 are slow just the times drop visibly after the top 10 .after the top 20 /30 and theres more sunday drivers than anything .the driver driving the £300,000 car is also out in the forrest a lot more than the drivers on a tight budget .to drive at the top pace takes practice and cash.the guy in the mk2 escort will poss give it more because his car hasnt cost him 30k plus .though a well sorted grp4 escort isnt cheap.
 

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JonRS2 said:
That was a bit uncalled for - it's not his fault he has only got a ZX spectrum computer :crackup:

Sorry Gaz.
:crackup: the clip is on that sad martin video thread .on youtube its a 25 sec clip.take a look .id already seen it before very similar to gigi galis famous hairpin.
 
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