[swcfc]

Before i bought my Evo i read a lot on here and elsewhere about how well the evo handles on corners and after reading about the ACD and AYC i was expecting the car to really stick when cornering. Now i might be doing something wrong or maybe theres something i need to check on the car but whenever i hit a corner or roundabout at speed the backend seems to let go so easily. Am i doing something wrong or is that the way it is supposed to handle, should i be drifting it round and just controlling the understeer. I checked the tyre pressures the other day and they seem fine, maybe wheel allignment is slightly out or maybe i'm just not doing it right. Maybe its just a case of practising to control the drift but i've had a couple of dodgy moments and i'm worried that i might push it too far. Is it better to keep it in a lower gear and keep the revs up, should i be braver and just let the traction do all the work ?

anyway i'm waffling now so cheers for any advice.

mark.

 

[gaz007]

my evo holds on as good as any car iv driven .your tyres could be at fault ie low tread or just crap .back end leaving go ? into corner ? would point to braking into the corner too hard which makes the car over light at the rear and then breaks away ? also is this in the damp salty roads or what ?

 

[swcfc]

tyres are Toyo T1-Rs been on about a month so loads of tread. wouldn't say i brake too much going into the corner usually i've slowed down sufficiently before entering the corner or maybe i am going in a bit too hot. i've been doing it on dry roads and have been trying different ways to see how best to take them. maybe i'm revving too hard mid corner and the wheels are spinning up a bit and losing traction.

 

[Aidy]

Before i bought my Evo i read a lot on here and elsewhere about how well the evo handles on corners and after reading about the ACD and AYC i was expecting the car to really stick when cornering. Now i might be doing something wrong or maybe theres something i need to check on the car but whenever i hit a corner or roundabout at speed the backend seems to let go so easily. Am i doing something wrong or is that the way it is supposed to handle, should i be drifting it round and just controlling the understeer. I checked the tyre pressures the other day and they seem fine, maybe wheel allignment is slightly out or maybe i'm just not doing it right. Maybe its just a case of practising to control the drift but i've had a couple of dodgy moments and i'm worried that i might push it too far. Is it better to keep it in a lower gear and keep the revs up, should i be braver and just let the traction do all the work ?

anyway i'm waffling now so cheers for any advice.

mark.

Don't pay too much attention to what you read. Without being in the car with you at the time it is impossible to tell if your car is handling as it should. It probably is, though, and you just have too high expectations. All road cars will only hit a tad over 1 G lateral force before the tyres break traction and the evo is no different. You'll get no additional traction in an evo over any performance car. They come into their own in when you step over the line and it gets a bit skittish, or when the road is uneven. In terms of actual grip they are no different to any other performance car.

In a stock set-up you will find that on the limit you're spending your time controlling understeer so don't worry about that. You can get over aggressive and provoke oversteer and the car will just bring it in line better than some cars.

 

[Aidy]

tyres are Toyo T1-Rs been on about a month

Say no more T1-Rs are "ok". Fit a better tyre and you'll see a difference.

 

[gaz007]

i thought my car handled crap with toyos T1 Rs ,they just dont grip but thats my opinion on them .bridgestones potenza ( forget which numbers ) they have a 2 inch semi slick out side edge on them .these tyres are the dogs.good ware rate and feel very good and grippy.100% reccomend them .

 

[swcfc]

cheers for the advice, to be honest this is the first performance car i have owned coming from motorbikes so maybe its just a case of me adapting. which other tyres should i be looking at ?

 

[Aidy]

which other tyres should i be looking at ?

Michellin PS2s

 

[gaz007]

bridgestone thats it ,look no further .i havnt seen a bad word about them and i buy them for approx £116 a corner so not silly money .talking of bikes ,the new R1 is looking good .think it will be hard to say no to one. :coolsm:

 

[swcfc]

talking of bikes ,the new R1 is looking good .think it will be hard to say no to one. :coolsm:

to be honest i am missing bikes, not that i would trade the Evo in for one as i have become addicted to it but i can easily see myself getting one when spring arrives. I've been wanting the new GSXR 750 for a while now and i am going to be very tempted when the sun starts shining.

although with a service coming up at the end of the week and the possibility of getting a new set of tyres all round i think it will just have to stay a dream for the moment

 

[gaz007]

iv recently sold my 05 R1 and im missing it already .im going to see what i feel like come warmer weather .the 07 R1 just sounds so good with all the new gadgets ,slipper clutch and the electronic induction system aswell as the fly by wire throttle .should have ironed out the sluggish mid range that the 05 bike suffered from .

 

[Crab]

From what i can tell so far from the evo. It "can" be tail happy. Only on hard steering as too much angle and perhaps low temperature tyres i've come across. If driven like a rwd car it can perform as such.

Being in hot/cold australia i can really spot the differences because our climatic changes are very very irratic.

I found it is very hard to get the tyre temperatures even. Rarely the rear tyres get warm enough.

I am using the nastiest of the nasty being Falken ziex. 235/17/45
tyre pressure 36psi. Buddy Club P1's. On standard suspension.

On warm days with lighter steering angles and a bit more faith in your tyres they can actually grip on mild throttle.

Sounds a bit noob. But i'm still fairly new to the evo and do drive it vigorously to entirely experiance the car.

I know we over here in OZ do have crappy service and parts here but luckily enough the evo handles damn well out of the box.

Cheers guys for an excellent forum.

 

[stevov]

michelin ps2.tyre pressure 32 front 28 rear.get the car to a good four wheel alignment specialist who uses a pro-align system.do a search for pro-align in your area.get the cars geometry set up and take it from there.this is a starting point.from this you start to make changes to fit the cars handling to you.understeer some toe out in front,to much oversteer,toe in in rear.negative camber front and rear,after you find where you and the car are happy you'll probably decide on new coilovers ,arbs, poly bushes,top mounts,strut braces etc.this is why they called it evolution.everything changes nothing stays the same.have fun and make friends with your bank manager.one word of warning.if the car is a daily driver don't get to aggresive with the geometry settings you will drasticaly reduce tyre life.

 

[Carina]

The T1Rs have never let us down, even giving it some welly on a track day. Don't be offended but maybe you could do with a track day to get some tuition on how to corner at speed whilst keeping the car under control.

 

[evo6gaz]

try driving smoothly and keep some nice tidy lines(not saying drive slowly but smoothly)!!!!! helps alot

 

[MikeBee]

in a similar boat in mine (although my 3 is probably different as less power and no ayc).

smoothness seems to help as you need to remember it's a rally car. if you upset the attitude of the car it'll loose grip (think pendulum effect on gravel).

also i'm still getting used to the turbo really as i've only ever driven na cars. i find if you leave it in a lower gear and drive it on the boost by opening the throttle early (ie. before apex so boost is coming on through apex) then play with the throttle very slightly you can get awesome grip through the 4wd.

my only problem is major bodyroll - the ARBs seem soooo soft for the car.

 

[MAD7BOY]

i find if you leave it in a lower gear and drive it on the boost by opening the throttle early (ie. before apex so boost is coming on through apex) then play with the throttle very slightly you can get awesome grip through the 4wd.

Agreed.

I'm also new to driving Evo's, 4wd and turbos! (I'm from a N/A FF!)

I was also expecting to get blown away by the Evo's grip, but I seem to find myself drifting, rather than really sticking through corners. I think it's becasue I'm not driving it in a way which optimises the Evo's features:

I.e. I believe the AYC works by adding torque to the rear wheel which is on the outside of a turn, helping to push the car round (a bit like the "skid" steering of a tank where the outside track speeds up.)

HOWEVER, since I'm used to driving a N/A FF car (obvisouly without AYC) I tend to drive corners smoothly, trying to carry more speed in and being on the limit of grip while not accelerating throught the turn (else I would go too fast and lose grip) then only accelerate on the way out as the turn opens to a straight.

I think a better way to make the most of AYC would be to brake harder before the turn in, and then (as suggested above) keep the car on boost through the turn. If you think about it, the AYC can't be providing you with any benefit if you're not accelerating.

This could be cobblers, but I have noticed that on a few occasions I've boosted a bit more than I intended when accelerating away from traffic lights on a roundabout and I have noticed that the car feels completely different when cornering under high acceleration than when "coasting" around a corner.

(I'm going to book a trackday to find out what's best as I'd rather learn on a track than on a road.)

 

[JonRS2]

Best thing to do if you can't stop it from going sideways is to fit windscreen wippers on the driver and passenger side windows so at least when you are sliding you can still see where you are going :crackup:

I have found with mine that when it does slide - don't lift off or it will just start fish tailing - just let the 4 WD do what it has to and you should find it will correct itself as long as you aren't trying to take a hair pin at 100 mph of course.

Only experience can help you master these cars fully so as suggested earlier go and do a track day or if not a big open car park and give it a go in there.

Enjoy the Evo anyway

 

[MikeBee]

Agreed.

I'm also new to driving Evo's, 4wd and turbos! (I'm from a N/A FF!)

I was also expecting to get blown away by the Evo's grip, but I seem to find myself drifting, rather than really sticking through corners. I think it's becasue I'm not driving it in a way which optimises the Evo's features:

I.e. I believe the AYC works by adding torque to the rear wheel which is on the outside of a turn, helping to push the car round (a bit like the "skid" steering of a tank where the outside track speeds up.)

HOWEVER, since I'm used to driving a N/A FF car (obvisouly without AYC) I tend to drive corners smoothly, trying to carry more speed in and being on the limit of grip while not accelerating throught the turn (else I would go too fast and lose grip) then only accelerate on the way out as the turn opens to a straight.

I think a better way to make the most of AYC would be to brake harder before the turn in, and then (as suggested above) keep the car on boost through the turn. If you think about it, the AYC can't be providing you with any benefit if you're not accelerating.

This could be cobblers, but I have noticed that on a few occasions I've boosted a bit more than I intended when accelerating away from traffic lights on a roundabout and I have noticed that the car feels completely different when cornering under high acceleration than when "coasting" around a corner.

(I'm going to book a trackday to find out what's best as I'd rather learn on a track than on a road.)

Yeah that's very similar to my thoughts. With regards to the harder braking in I think you can probably get away with entering the corner at reasonable speed and then doing the above mid corner boosting to get the grip. This is how to get the most out of the 4wd traction i think.

Trouble is you end up going round corners so quickly in the Evo that if you screw it up you're in major dog poo! Track is definitely the best place to experiment

 

[MAD7BOY]

Trouble is you end up going round corners so quickly in the Evo that if you screw it up you're in major dog poo! Track is definitely the best place to experiment

My thoughts exactly!!

Still, it would be nice if someone could confirm/deny my reasoning above? Is this the best way to get the most out of the Evo 4WD system? Anyone else with some pointers?

Cheers