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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Just got back from the xmas visiting .
Reading some the posts ,interesting about blades post.
I don't understand the fact that competativeness is being slated .Why do people tune their cars .?I feel to be better ,quicker and meaner than another of the same sort.
Reading between the lines some who spend a fortune on the car get passed or out driven by some one with lesser vehicle are in for a slating.
Ive been on a few track days and its always been a thrill for me and if I can catch or pass a vehicle that has more horses or loooks better than my car a big smile comes to my face .and thats against any car .
There have been those that have taken me ,but thats also enjoyable.
There are guys on this board who are great drivers .I heard a story of a fella that had his cosworth nicked and gave chase in a land rover and kept up and gave a running commentry to the police via a mobile.
He was a rally driver.
It does sadden me that some feel the need to give up because there car after vast amounts of cash has been thrown at it gets beaten on a track fairly and squarely.Competition is there and will always be there .Its just that some one has to come second .As long as its not dangerous to other users ,which gets rammed home at the morning briefing then every one is out to see how far they can push themselves and the car.But the competative streak lurks like a demon in our souls .
I love it ! getting past Kevin Aitken one day will bring a big smile to my face :D
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Shorty,well said,at last someone else has been able to read between the lines,and understand the point I was making,as you say the competative streak is in all of us,and those that deny having it are being less than truefull.I look forward to meeting you on a track day and being safely competative.

You do realise that your post may leave you open to attack by some,but then the truth often hurts.

Happy New Year Barry:)
 
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Shorty

Firstly, competitive driving is strictly banned at tarck days. The point about the day that caused problems was a feeling amongst a significant number of people, 7 that I know of, that some of the Evos were driving in an intimidating way to prove a point. For instance, driving very close behind, headlights blazing, not overtaking immediately on being given the all clear to pass etc. Others were accussed of overtaking when they hadn't been invited to - strict rule of the day was that overtaking was by concent only.

However, as time passes this has all got distorted. The real test will be when and if there is a shoot out, as has been sugested. Then there will be no excusses or false claims, such as I had him when in fact, it might have been a slowing down lap. BRING ON THE SHOOT OUT!!!!
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
surely some cars should have been unpassable ,but clearly ,were not !?
many people claim huge power figures,but clearly have not !?
there will always ,always be someone faster,quicker,better.
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Must have been hiding to have missed the story .

However, it is not worth loosing sleep over. Just go out and buy some driving lessons! Only wish I had the driving skill to match the EVO's mechanical prowess!


JF
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Mouton

You miss the point. Who says that you have to drive on a track day flat out all the time? Many years ago I did a track driving course that one of the tests was to unly go up to a certain RPM during the laps and to try to get the best time possible. The idea was to give you more time to concentrate on your lines. I did my first session at Oulton Park using no more than 5-5500 RPM, as Droid, my passenger can verify. Therefore, anybody who overtook me that session proved nothing, except that they were faster when I was not using the whole engine range.

This is what made the whole day so stupid. Blade spend a lot of his time driving at below max, learning lines and new driving techniques with an instructor. At Oulton his car was not on song , but even if it had been, if he was on one of his learning seasons and was overtaken, what does that prove. However, the only person who knows for sure if they have been taken is the person being taken.

This is why the only real way of knowing is against the watch or in a race. Bring on a real test day, a limited number of timed laps, no traffic and no excuses. As has been sugested, if need be use professional drivers as well. BUT don't make too many claims or judgements based on a track day.
 
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i would like to know what the point is ive missed ?
from where im reading i agreed with what had been written prior to my post
i havent made any claims or made any judgements ???????
i have however,stated the fact that there is always someone quicker,there will always be a more powerfull car......which are both true.
what will your shoot out prove then,in your eyes
 
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before a few weeks ago, the last interesting tale about Oulton I heard was when Lotus test driver Gavan Kershaw was nailing a ferrari 360 in a paltry 143bhp elise... the 360 was being driven by a tester as well. I been out with that Gavan at Abingdon and he is one **** hot geezer (comfortably won the AUtocar sideways challenge). Who you pass on a circuit or who passes you means absolute zero.

But for those of us who are trying to create the ultimate evo I agree that its the shootout that counts. 0-60, 0-100-0, 1/4 mile times please with similar and consistent launch methods and rubber.


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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
I competed in my first forest/gravel Rally this year in a MK2 Escort, and I came 5th in class, suprising even myself, but when I did a bit of karting with a bunch mates at Daytona in Milton Keynes I came 21st from 24. Now are you are race driver or a rally driver...who knows? Who cares?

Point is, being competetive is one thing, being a fool and intimidating other people is another, just as when you first learn to drive, as with track days, enjoy yourselves but don't spoil it for others.
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Simon,why do you want a shoot out,what do you want to prove?

And why are you being so defensive?and dare I say competative!

You and Blade started this pathetic debate because your pride was hurt as things didnt go on the day the way you expected,NOW I THINK ITS TIME TO FINISH IT AND MOVE ON and please if you do go to any more track days you might have more fun holding the black flag,than driving ! Its more you:)
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Barry

The shootout was not my idea but something that was put forward some time ago. I was just supporting other peoples ideas. BTW, weren't you one of the people supporting the idea - RR followed by track timing on consecutive days.

The reason I think it is a good idea is that for those who are interested by those things, I believe that it is the fairest way of showing how powerful a car is and how useable that power is. The way I see it, a track day is like a practice session in F1. Nobody knows who is trying what etc. It is not until the Q session that you get to see how the cars are really running. If we have a properly organised event where people know what the score is from the start, then there can be no excuses etc.

As for being defensive, that is totally rubish. All I have personally complained about was the driving antics of a very few people. The same goes for pride, it has nothing to do with pride, it is the driving antics of a few. I was driving a £40k car which I use everyday for my enjoyment and this was spoilt by a very few people who made me feel uncomfortable to be out on the track at the same time as them. I couldn't care less about what people were thinking about my car or my driving because I was there for me.

As for finishing this debate, fine by me. However, Barry, the reason that I keep posting is that people keep writing rubish about the subject. Its fine to pick on me who has posted about it, but why do you also accuse Blade of even being part of this as he has not posted anything negative or derogatory about the subject at all.
 
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Fair enough, track days aren't really about competitiveness, they are more about learning the track and learning the limits of yourself and the car on a particular day. However, it is extremely difficult to stop the 'red mist' forming in a situation like this.

On the talk of a Shoot-out, there is one being organised by Darin in the Events section (not the Forum events). This is 0-60, 0-100, 0-100-0 and 1/4 mile. I am going to this, it would nice to see some of you guys there as well.

Also, all this talk of driver ability, the only way to properly test it is for all of us to go a track, all drive the same car one at a time and see who can post the fastest time. That way there'd be no complaints as to different car setups, eg suspension, brakes, power. That way, we can all be competitive and not worry about damaging our cars. Now that would be a good day out !

Si
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Simon ,no ones picking on you,dont add paranoia to your list of problems,

I love the way you ring everything thats said,is that how you get through life,it comes natural to you, I think half the time you are not aware you are doing it,did it start at school as a way of getting the teachers to protect you against the bigger boys.You'r a devious little **** stirring ####er,but you will get yours people like you always do. Thats it ive finished with you now,your on my dont exist list,Bye Bye.
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Christ we will be knee deep in rattles in a minute! Calm down people, can't we just respect each others views without resorting to bitching all the time.
By the way you are all wrong
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
No one surely can say that they aren't competative on a track day,sure its a non times non competative event,on paper,How ever the track day proves more on car ability and driver ability than any other type of event.
Ive also been to a couple of drag strips with my car and hasten to add I was faster than an E7.
But thats not to say that I would beat it around a track.
All our cars in standard format should be times around the same ,but on a track no way is that true.
The competativeness on a track day as rightly said should not enforce danger to others and for one don't want to prang my pride and joy.
It also doesn't take that long tp learn the lines ,this I feel is just an excuse,one session of about 5-6 slower laps should do it ,then you get faster and more confident with the car.
It could be also said that spending 10k to achieve 1 sec faster on 1/4 mile is a waste of money.but I do feel you spend your money where and how you like .Just don't weep when some one who spends 2k is quicker.
Also on a track day you should also be polite and give way to the faster cars and not try to out pace them when you know you are beaten,this also I feel is dangerous.
I can't wait to do another day next year money permitting.
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
HH6,your'e right ,but Ive got the fastest rattle,:)

How do you remain so calm I cant remember a time when you have lost it whats your secret I wont tell anyone honest..
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Paul (S)

Swindon - that's close - lets see if my E7 is faster - what you doing tomorrow? :D Hope to catch up with you on a local track day!

Seriously, what have we all to prove - we ALL drive bloody great cars - period. If this was Subaru banter I could believe it!

Jerry
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
This Evo shoot out should be right up my street and for £50 a good laugh. But I'm not going to bother as somebody forgot to include corners !
Who gives a flying fudge about the quarter mile ?

Maybe the MLR should organise a few grass autotests. A nice loose surface to keep the tyre wear sensible. Just basic cone sequences, no need for J turns, etc. A basic point A to point B (via very roundabout route and maybe a few doughnuts around the odd cone !) All timed, with classes for standard, etc...

Now that I would take part in, anyone else ?
Oi, Darin.... Lancer turbos Vs Evos :D

TonyC
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
Barry

Slowly but surely your real self comes out. You always manage to reduce things to a personal attack, probably because you cannot and have never put together a reasonable debate since you started posting, as long ago as The Anarchist. As some have said, they cannot tell the difference between MichaelK and you. They might think that but I couldn't possibly comment ;)
 
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
i cannot be alone in being put off by having to do 16 drag race starts with my (new) clutch in this shootout
am i ?

yours
poor but happy !
 
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