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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Having read HH6's post about gearbox bearings and his other general statements about common faults with evo's

I am not going to rant on about all the things that are wrong with the Evos as a whole (not just mine) - HH6
It just adds to the list of dodgy faults that the Evo has, what else is lurking about waiting to go wrong prematurely? - HH6

It strikes me that I'm not really aware of the typical or general problems that Evos can have, in fact other than the bearing problem and warped discs I'm only aware of one other that seems to have hit a significant amount of other owners and that's the dreaded seat reclining problem (hardly something I'd loose sleep over).

I'm hoping that its my lack of experience with Evos and this forum in general, but I'd like to put my mind at rest, are there common faults that occur with Evos (I'm interested in E6's, but I'm sure others will be interested in other models) that I should be aware of?

If there are common faults out there could I kindly ask that people respond to this thread with the type of fault, that way others and I can search the Forum for a relevant thread and read up on it.

Very grateful

Def.

p.s I've booked my 14k miles E6 in for a Gear box, Rear Diff and transfer box oil change......Thanks for the warning HH6, its a shame we won't have you around as much, defiantly our loss.
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
There is a fault on Recaro seats in (early?) E6 where they recline of there own accord, nothing to dramatic as it takes a little bit of time to happen, some people have the problem but can't be bothered to do anything about it. CCC and Recaro UK recognise it as a known problem and I know of 1 person in Holland who had the same problem, I got mine changed under warrenty so no big deal.

Do a search for threads, you can find contact details for recaro etc


Ryan
 
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There is a thread on this in Suggestions, apparently HH6 is doing something on it as part of the FAQ :D

Ryan
 
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My Recaros are going back as well...

A friend of mine's engine explosed, completely std car, hehe. But I dont think that's common.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
I think all Recaros do this.It was a problem with my Accord Type R and even my 7 does this. I guess I have been so used to it for 2-3 years now that it is part of the routine.

Get in car.

Close door.

Start engine.

adjust seat back.

Fasten seat belt.

Drive off.
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Def
I`ve run an E6 GSR for 2 years / 16K miles apart from warped discs and amp; normal servicing cost its been 100% reliable and relatively cheap to run .

I`ve had no gearbox problems , I have changed gearbox oil twice.[ didn`t need the manual to tell me that!! ] and apart from having to adjust the seat every other lap on track days ;) I am very pleased , also I do not know any one else with an E6 who has suffered all these other problems like HH6 seems to have ?
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
HH6 has definitely had an extraordinary amount of problems with his car, usually serious and expensive ones and I completely sympathise with him. I too have had a number of problems, whilst none have been serious they are worrying and can knock your confidence in the car.

I have done about 6k miles in my E6 and am starting to get paranoid about every little sound I hear after reading all horror story threads on here. I did about 50k miles in my E4 without even the hint of a problem (apart from self induced ones http://www.lancerregister.com/graphics/embarassed1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > ) I'm not saying the E6 is less reliable, I doubt that it is, after all there is not that much mechanical difference between them particularly if you look at the components people have been having problems with, but there are a hell of a lot less E4's around and many of these I know are at 70k miles and over.

It's just that there are a load of E6's out there now and even if a small number of owners suffer problems this represents a reasonable number of people. How 'common' are these common problems in reality is what I would like to know. There are over a 1,000 registered users of this site (majority E6 owners), but how many people have experienced gearbox problems for example. It's just that you really only hear from people who have had problems and I would like to be able to balance that against the number of people who haven't before saying that all Evo's are inherently unreliable.

Not trying to say anyone is wrong with their opinions, but would like to get some perspective on it first.

Just my thoughts!

Dave
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
As I've said b4 on the seats, its a known problem and if you are under warranty, mitsu will fix it.....

Simon,
I would have hoped that they'd have fixed it on the E7....although your solution works (and its what I've been doing) I personally don't see why you should have too, how much did you pay for your extreme again....

Daved6,
I'm up to 14k miles and the only problem I've had is with the seats, I on the other hand wouldn't have changed the gearbox oil as early as I'm going to unless HH6 had brought the issue up in the first place. Yes we all know that HH6 has been very unlucky but even so I'd still rather know then not know, that way I can attempt to protect against a potential problem (changing gear box oil earlier) or look out for known symptoms.

DaveG,
Yup my heart goes out to HH6 too. I don't think its a case of having to be paranoid, it more being prepared. I'd agree with you on the how common are the problems, if we had an idea we'd be able to diagnose those minor squeaks we sometimes hear and then put our minds at rest.

What I am NOT saying is that all evo's are inherently unreliable , like ANY car they CAN have common problems, warped discs is a good recognised example, I'm sure plenty of people can give opinions as to why that has happened on a number of Evos.

Please understand, I'm an E6 owner myself, I would be over the moon to hear that nothing ever goes wrong with them, I also don't think that there is any harm in educating myself and others of problems that we MAY come across, the ones that I refer to as common are not common to ALL evos, just MORE common in general than OTHER problems and therefore statistically more probable to occur on my car.

This is just a responsible owner being proactive, if doing simple things like a gearbox oil change more regularly (I was planning about 18k instead of the 14k I'm doing it at) means that I can reduce the chance of a bearing problem, no matter how small that additional risk was, then I want to hear about it and try and do something about it, I firmly believe that in the long run it could save me money (Oil changes are much cheaper then gearboxes)

Hope this clears my opinion up on the subject.

For what its worth, I know, understand and agree with HH6s opinion on this, his rationale behind his opinions are valid ones imho.

Ta
Ryan
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
And I just thought it was the kids playing about with the seats (my son likes to have the seat as far forward as possible so he can see out above the dash).

Ta for the info lads.

I agree with all the postings here. Its best to find out the worst that can happen so you take appropriate action. But in reality the incidence of these things is fairly low? How many E6 are there in the UK?
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Oli,
You relly shouldn't let your kid drive you know ;)

Well I've got number 125, so I guess there is more then 125 of em :D

Ryan
 
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Cannot blame the seats on Mitsubishi, unless you say the should not have chosen them. An old problem suffered my other manufacturers.

I find this whole thread mildly amusing. I agree there are some issues issues, in particular the brakes, that are not good. I also believe that HH6 has had a raw deal, getting far more than his fair share of problems. However, I remain unconvinced about how bad the overall situation really is. Try owning almost any high performance car and driving it reasonably hard. Things go wrong. Even cars like Porche. However, I think that Evo's get driven properly whilst many high performance cars aren't. I know a friend who drives a Ferrari who spends thousands each year on keeping it on the road. However, I don't think we hear about this because we don't read their postings!

Even the best (?) manufacturers have their problems. I bet most of you were unaware of a problem that BMW have with their 6 cylinder engines in the UK. In two cars I have needed new pistons and liners. The dealers have told me this is a common problem over here and that they check all cars at all services. They don't tell us, the customer, unless they need to strip the engine. However, they do the work FOC.

So, I expect that if I drive the car as it is meant to be driven, there will be issues. That is why I find it incredible that Ralliart give such a good warranty. Now all I have to do is hope I don't need to claim on it and that if I do, they honour the claim.

All that being said I look forward to seeing HH6's FAQ's so that I can be forwarned.
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Simon,

I bet most of you were unaware of a problem that BMW have with their 6 cylinder engines in the UK. In two cars I have needed new pistons and liners

Sorry to go slightly off-topic, but are you talking about the infamous problem with the nikasil-lined cylinders and the damage high-sulphur fuel caused them?

Ian.
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Simon

Not quite sure where you are coming from when you say you find this amusing and are unconvinced about how bad the situation really is as if everyone is complaining about it. Most of the responses (apart from the seat ones) are also saying the same in that it would be good to establish exactly how bad the problems really are.

I agree that if you own a high performance car you should expect some problems with everything tuned and stressed to such high levels. 4 cylinder, 140bhp per litre and more in some cases is really pushing pretty things hard I think. These are specialist cars, not mass market, but are being used by most people as every day transport. Back in the days of Sierra and Escort Cosworths most owners I new of locked them up all week and only got them out at the weekends, accpeting they weren't everyday and needed to be looked after. Since Evos and Imprezas have become more and more popular people have started using 200 - 300bhp cars for everyday use and on the whole getting away with it. A testament to how well these cars are engineered. These cars are being seen as relatively 'normal' now and perhaps this is a mistake? A few years back I really wanted to buy an M3 :)) to Droid), but was put off by what was considered to be a race tuned engine and all the potential problems that came with it. I wouldn't have those thoughts anymore. How times have changed.

Dave
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Simon,
I think that you can blame the seats on Mitsu since it was a known problem and they fitted the same ones to the E7, is that just pure stupidity or what?

Anyway I suggest you go back and read what I wrote to DaveG in my big post cause it seems that you havn't understood what I was saying at all.

I have an e6 with a warrenty, some people don't have that luxury.....

Ryan
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
DaveG,

Yes, times have indeed changed but so has engine technology. I sold my 321bhp M3 Evo with 90,000 miles on the clock and it had been absolutely bombproof during the 50,000 miles I put on it myself. That engine had service intervals of around 8000 miles. The M3 I now own has even more bhp/litre (343bhp from 3.2L) and a service interval of 15,000 miles through the use of very long-life sparkplugs, outrageously expensive 10W60 synthetic oil (it's about twice the price of Mobil One ... ouch) and maintenance-free gearbox and differential lubrication (they're both sealed units).

Anyone have any opinions as to which should be inherently the most reliable ... extreme tuning through extreme specific torque (i.e. forced induction, e.g. Evo6, Audi RS4) or extreme tuning through extreme engine speeds (i.e. high rev. limit, e.g. M3, Honda S2000, Formula 1 !). I've heard many opinions that the faster spinning solution is less reliable than the harder spinning solution. Any thoughts? (or am I just miles off topic?)

Ian.
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
Ryan

I think we are in violent agreement. We do need to understand what to watch for. As for the seats, I guess that I have got so used to the problem with other cars that I forgive Mitsu more easily than I should. Regarding the warranty, that's the really bad thing in all of this, that some people are not covered. Elsewhere I have been knocked because of how slavish I am to paying a premium for a car with a warranty, probably by the same people who complain at things costing them a fortune when it goes wrong. (HH6 and a few others excluded from that comment. Nothing but total sympathy for HH6. Wish he was not leaving us).

DaveG
Please don't misunderstand me, I am not amused by the fact that people have problems with their cars. Quite the opposite, I know from my own experiences just how frustrating it can be. What I find interesting/amusing is peoples expectations.

Droid
So BMW got that right but 2 engines in 2 cars, each less than 25,000 miles.......mmmm not so good. You are complementing them on making an engine with 107 bhp per litre. If our Evo's produced that, their BHP would be 215. I think we would be upset if the cars were unreliable and if our service intervalls were not better.


OR maybe I have had a sh*t day and am not thinking very straight, I don't mean to offend people. I leave that to others :D
 
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