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I thought Ralliart brought Evo 6 and amp; 7 direct from Japan, SVA'd them etc and sold them as UK cars.
Including through a small Ralliart approved Network of Mitsubishi dealers.
In other words I thought every UK car had been through Dudley at some time in its life.
If this is not the case - what is the difference between a Ralliart 6 and a Warrender 6? If the work has been done to a similar standard. i.e Underseal, headlights, fuel filler, de restricted, ecu remap for fuel difference etc.

Where do CCC fit in?

Jeremy
 
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InsBro

Good questions! This confuses many people and I have spent time trying to understand it. Below is what I believe is the correct situation, but others may know better. What is true is that there are also a lot of myths about this. I have even gone as far as doing corporate searches.

First you have Ralliart UK. This is a FRANCHISE of Ralliart Japan, which is wholey owned by Mitsubishi Motor Company of Japan (MMC). As far as I can make out, MMC and Ralliart Japan do not have an equity interest in Ralliart UK. Nor does the next player in this game, Mitsubishi UK or CCC, as they are known.

CCC is owned 49% by MMC, 51% by Brits of which I believe , non are associated with Ralliart UK. CCC, who trade as Mitsubishi UK, are the official UK importers of MMC cars.

So, as you can see, there are 2 companies in the UK that have an association with MMC, either directly or through a MMC subsidiary. However, they have no formal connections with each other.

Now we have looked at this we can look at who imports what with regard to Evos. I am unaware of what happened before the 6, so what I am outlining is my understanding as to what has happened with the 6 and 7. First, it is important to understand that there have always been Evos brought into the country by other importers and these importers continue to do so today. Take Warrender, for example. They are independent of Ralliart, CCC and MMC. I believe that they order their cars through specialist dealers in Japan. They bring them into the country, get them SVA approved and do anything that is needed for UK cars. There are others and I am sure you can find their names through other sources. These companies have brought E6's into the country totally independently of CCC and Ralliart, they give their own warranty and they prepare the cars as they see fit. This varies from very good (Warrender) to poor. You need to understand what spec the car was when it left Japan - did it have the cold weather pack for example. A final problem is that some cars imported by these means (NOT Warrender) have been stolen in Japan and are being sold in the UK either as secondhand or even having been cleaned up and sold as new!

Now on to CCC and Ralliart UK. They agreed to co-operate regarding the importation of the 6. CCC provided the warranty. At this point it all gets a bit blurred. The cars came from the same source and to the same spec. They were sold by Ralliart UK from Dudley and through CCC dealerships, some or all of which were classified as Ralliart dealerships. BTW, I have asked 2 Ralliart dealerships as to what is going on and they clearly don't understand. They were imported into the UK the same way. I am unaware as to where they were first delivered or who put them through SVA, but I suspect it was Ralliart UK. After SVA approval, they then went to the dealerships. These dealerships even sold Ralliart UK derivetives, such as the Extreme. The 6 Extreme is still on the Mitsubishi UK website!

Anyway, there is a long history of it all going Pete Tong from there. There were disputes over warranties which are well documented on this site. CCC changed the rules as they went on. So, when it came to the 7, Ralliart UK went their own way. I believe that they order their cars through Ralliart Japan. CCC order through MMC but could not decide what to do regarding the 7 and did not order any GSR's or, as I have been told, decided they wanted them so late that all the GSR preduction was sold. Ralliart UK now provide their own warranties on the cars they import. They do sell some through the Ralliart dealers. One good thing about getting a 7 from Ralliart is that if you get them to modify the car, they usually keep the warranty intact.

CCC are importing their 7's themself. They will continue to offer their own warranty which, no doubt, will not allow you to modify the car at all.

I hope this is reasonably clear. If there are more questions, or I have not been clear or logical please ask.
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Thanks Simon for the comprehensive reply, its alot clearer now.

Is the cold weather pack just heated mirrors? Or are there some induction changes?

Jeremy
 
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The cold weather pack also has a bigger battery. I have heard that it also includes an uprated alternator, but cannot confirm that for sure. Not sure about anything else.
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
i think it gets even more complicated:

i bought my 6tme (UK car) from ware garage (a mitsubishi/ralliart dealer), they are now reselling ralliart (dudley) evo 7's, and i expect will sell the CCC 7's when they arrive.

if you go on there website, it even hooks into dudleys used car list.

lee
 
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Yes, Lee, you are right. You could very well go into a CCC dealer that is a Ralliart dealer as well and have the choice of a Ralliart GSR or a CCC UK RS2. I look forward to hearing them explain that one! For instance, what is the difference between the Ralliart waranty and the CCC one (clue - one will probably pay out while the other will try to wriggle out ;))
 
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i wonder what warrenty i have got??, i will have to look tonight as i have got a mitsubishi guide book and a ralliart service book.

i would have to say, ware garage acts more like a ralliart dealer than a mitsi one, they had 2 extremes for sale last time i went, cant fault them up to know

lee
 
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Lee

As you have a 6, whatever it says the warranty is underwritten by CCC. Because people believed that it was Ralliart that controlled it when in fact it was CCC who changed the terms, it has created a bit of bad feeling with a few Ralliart customers. There was nothing that Ralliart could do, although I have heard that they continue to try. This is one of the reasons that the do not work with CCC anymore.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Dose Mitsubishi/Ralliart Japan no wot a fock up it is over here? 2 many cooks and amp; all dat!
 
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