[Carl]

Well not a good night for me.

Thought I would go to a cash point before going home so on the way there went round a very large roundabout at a spirited pace(below speed limit) then carried on along a short bypass to the local supermarket.

Got pulled over(10.30pm) just before the supermarket by 2 coppers who where aparently parked up at the roundabout.

He told me he had speed upto 110mph and I was still pulling away I know 100% I wasnt going that fast..but wasnt paying attention to the speedo to be honest.No video proof etc of speeds just the 2 coppers word.

Thing is I would of passed him at like 60 and he would of had to start from zero to catch me up.

wasnt even meaning to speed down the bypass was just sort of minding me own buisness then big flashy blue lights!

Got a feeling I am a gonna.

any help etc would be great

or should I just hang myself now

 

[TonyJones]

i reckon you are in the clear wth no verification of speed. deny it

 

[Carl]

Yeah will defo deny it.

any possibilty of a ban with only a coppers word for the speed I was aparently doing?

 

[heaveho]

Bit late now, but in future, should this happen again, offer to let them take you, in their car, back to where they say they started and stopped checking your speed. If they won't do this, in court you can point out that you were denied access to possible evidence that may have contradicted their accusation against you. Then ask them to confirm what they used as reference points if they were parked at the time they were doing this. Then ask to see the calibration certificate for their equipment....it should be dated for that day, and they should have it with them. Also, if they were checking for people speeding over that specific stretch of road, they should also be able to provide evidence that their equipment was calibrated over the set distance they've actually checked your speed on. If they can't/won't provide all/any of this, go to court, and be prepared. Have dates, names, times, and state clearly that you feel you were given little or no reason to accept their version of events, due to the Police unforthcoming attitude to the provision of evidence. In court all you have to do is cast reasonable doubt on the accuracy of the accusation, and the CPS will rarely pursue a case if the result is not a sure thing. If you know the right questions to ask, you can make it very difficult for an accusation to be proven correct.

 

[crano]

do the police have cars that do 110mph no proof no case

 

[Razor]

Must be bloody good coppers to guess the difference between 70 and 110mph when sitting static at a roundabout.

You didnt admit to anything when they pulled you by any chance?

 

[Carl]

Must be bloody good coppers to guess the difference between 70 and 110mph when sitting static at a roundabout.

You didnt admit to anything when they pulled you by any chance?

Didnt admit to anything.

Thing is the road is in complete darkness and I would of been a fair distance away passing them at 70 and them having to speed up from 0

 

[GeorgeG]

Bit late now, but in future, should this happen again, offer to let them take you, in their car, back to where they say they started and stopped checking your speed. If they won't do this, in court you can point out that you were denied access to possible evidence that may have contradicted their accusation against you. Then ask them to confirm what they used as reference points if they were parked at the time they were doing this. Then ask to see the calibration certificate for their equipment....it should be dated for that day, and they should have it with them. Also, if they were checking for people speeding over that specific stretch of road, they should also be able to provide evidence that their equipment was calibrated over the set distance they've actually checked your speed on. If they can't/won't provide all/any of this, go to court, and be prepared. Have dates, names, times, and state clearly that you feel you were given little or no reason to accept their version of events, due to the Police unforthcoming attitude to the provision of evidence. In court all you have to do is cast reasonable doubt on the accuracy of the accusation, and the CPS will rarely pursue a case if the result is not a sure thing. If you know the right questions to ask, you can make it very difficult for an accusation to be proven correct.

 

[hb360]

To prove corroborative evidence,i.e the word of 2 coppers, they would have to have been travelling behind you at a constant speed for 7/10ths of a mile at least. Guessing speed by pursuing up to you at a spped which wasnt constant wouldnt make a court case.You would also need to have been cautioned and given PACE rights and informed you were being reported with a view to prosecution.

 

[paul4400]

speeding

Was this the penn inn one and then down to the teignmouth one???
They seem to be having a spell around here, saw loads around on sat night

 

[Aidy]

Did the cop tell you you were being considered for prosecution? If not then he'd just trying to scare you. If they told you you were being considered for prosecution then expect to hear something in the future. If they didn't use those words then they aren't following it up as they know they have no evidence.

 

[Carl]

Did the cop tell you you were being considered for prosecution? If not then he'd just trying to scare you. If they told you you were being considered for prosecution then expect to hear something in the future. If they didn't use those words then they aren't following it up as they know they have no evidence.

took a small statemant but didnt say I was being considered for prosecution.

But said the magistrate will decide what to do :/

 

[Carl]

Re: speeding

Was this the penn inn one and then down to the teignmouth one???
They seem to be having a spell around here, saw loads around on sat night

Hi mate

Right place mate just comming the other way.

 

[Aidy]

took a small statemant but didnt say I was being considered for prosecution.

But said the magistrate will decide what to do :/

Don't quote me on this but I *think* you'll be ok. I reckon they're just trying to **** you up.

 

[mike_turbo]

yeh sounds similiar to my due care and attention scare last year, and that was almost 6 months ago so touchwood i have got away with that

 

[vikingboy]

that six month thing is a total nightmare, my mate had the coppers call on him with the summons in person the evening the six month period was due to expire.

I wouldnt answer your door the evening before because if they cant give it to you in time they cant summon you.

 

[chockymonster]

Don't quote me on this but I *think* you'll be ok. I reckon they're just trying to **** you up.

I'd agree with Aidy on this.
If they do not inform you that "you will be reported for the consideration of exceeding the speed limit" then they haven't issued you with a NIP. Wait 3 weeks, if nothing appears in the post then don't worry about it.

 

[Razor]

that six month thing is a total nightmare, my mate had the coppers call on him with the summons in person the evening the six month period was due to expire.

I wouldnt answer your door the evening before because if they cant give it to you in time they cant summon you.

They just have to present the evidence to the clerk of the court within 6 months of the traffic offense, not get a summons in.

Mark

 

[NumptyScrub]

They just have to present the evidence to the clerk of the court within 6 months of the traffic offense, not get a summons in.

Really? Seems like a very long time to me. Does the motorist get 6 months to collate and present the evidence for the defense as well, or is this sort of extreme timescale only available to the prosecution?

 

[Razor]

Really? Seems like a very long time to me. Does the motorist get 6 months to collate and present the evidence for the defense as well, or is this sort of extreme timescale only available to the prosecution?

Don't forget, the police systems are attached to the court's computer system - as soon as they log it on computer its considered to be submitted to the clerk of the court as its 'accessible'

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_a.html

Not sure about the defence side, as far as I know its not the defence that wants to prosecute so on their side its fairly optional preparetory information.