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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
If it is possible....

Any ideas on what would be needed to do this starting off from a Warrender 340, especially interested in the engine modifications needed, ie forged pistons, uprated conrods etc....

Any help appreiciated.
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
ants,
This have something 2 do with the fate of yr engine ?

Re the RS450 , 450 only referred 2 the torque that was hoped 4 , actually the eventual figure was under 400 lbsft. Basically anything is possible with the VII just as the VI , 400 bhp and 400 ftlbs requires less serious stuff than u wud think , but if u REALLY want 450 or more ftlbs then pistons and rod's , head , rod , main bearing and head bolts , clutch , blue printing , balancing , etc wud b needed 2 tough the engine up . Obviously the stuff 2 produce the power wud b needed , head work , cams , turbo , exhaust system , ECU work , fuel system etc.

All down 2 the size of the cheque really , but the best plan is 2 decide on the power u want then get QUOTES , not estimates , from tuners 2 obtain that power.
Out of interest , I'm working on over 400 ftlbs and 450 bhp 4 my VI GSR as we speak , plan is 2 have it ready by April.
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Evoboy, yes that is what I am more interested in now, torque rather than BHP, still do not know the full fate of my engine, but I am preparing for the worse, and while the engine is apart it gives me agreat oportunity to have the internals upgraded.

It would make sense to get RC Development to carry out all the work as the car is up there and the have the know how on all the bits and pieces, the only problem maybe is the sourcing of all the components or the wait!

It had already planned to get the 380 package so this all makes sense.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Pretty sure the RS450 had the same torque (and power for that matter0 as the Extreme S, which is basically the RS450's new name, which is around 380lb/ft
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
You can get lots of different internals, if wait is an issue get UK made, Omega pistons and Arrow rods as used by Ralliart, expensive though, GBP 1,000 each. Plus 100 for the rings. Cams and turbo, I would go one size bigger only to minimise lag but still get 420 - 430 bhp, like HKS 2835 or 2840. ECU...

... Sounds expensive! ...
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
Agree Claudius, this is starting to cost more than if I had bought an extreme in the first place!
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Claudius is talking about the titanium rods , most en24 steel rods r about £170'ish each , pistons about £150-200 each. These will take anything :) Titanium rods r good when u wan2 up the redline.
As u say if it's with RC talk 2 'em , they shud have most of the stuff x-stock , even if they don't it's all available easily.
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Ant,Rc do a 450bhp conversion they tune there cars for the road and track.Ralliart tune there cars as rally cars that is why they are not so quick on the track compared with RC,I would stick with RC and keep it simple you will get more performance for your money.

Im having the RC 380 conversion in the next couple of weeks and we know how quick there demonstrator is.I know its tempting to rebuild your engine with performance parts but you will be spending up to £12000 with a motec and you will then be stressing other components and you will end up running out of cheque books unless you want to do a Blade, I suggest stick at 380bhp and 350 Torque.

Regards Barry:)
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Antevo,
Ralliart tune there cars as rally cars that is why they are not as quick on track compared to rc,think this says it all really i would be happy if my car was tuned as a rally car because rally cars are made to go round various stages which include straights and twisties in the shortest possible time, so i think ralliart have more experianced or should i say know more experianced people whom tune cars in competition level which then benfits engine building and reliability if going for fully uprated internals etc using themselves ,but obviously you pay for what you get ..
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
rally cars are not road cars,
road cars are road cars
which is probably another reason why specialists ,specialise !
if i were to inherit a lot of money,id take my car to a specialist !
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Piceas iscariot,
Rallycars are not road cars ,true .
Road cars are road cars ,true
Ralliart tune there (road) cars (rs450,extreme S) using tried and tested methods from rallying experiances.,true
Ralliart are expensive,true
so whats the point?
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
I think I'll just wait to hear what RC say, and then decide.

I would like to think that whatever happens next (tuning wise) it will be my last, so I want to put the empasis on torque.

The new wheels and tyres should be arriving later this week, so all could time in nicely
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Ants
I have had a break from the Forum and just saw your post - Has something happened to your motor??
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
If Ralliart tune Lancer Evos like rallye cars, that is good if you live say where I live with lots of small mountain roads. But if you do traffic highway and track days, a more power oriented set up is probably better...
 
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