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2.2ltr FP Green HTA progress

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Figured i would start a new thread instead of going off topic in another one.

The car is in the process of mapping during this week at TRL Developments and maybe some of next week too.

It has pulled on the dyno 1.8bar @ 3300rpm, 2.0 bar @ 3400rpm and 2.2bar @ 3500rpm in 4th.

1.4bar was seen in 5th at 2200rpm

I want to run it in high boost road set up at 2.2bar from 3500rpm and try to get it to hold 2.0bar to 7krpm. Will see how the top end is after the springs upgrade.

It spools like a space shuttle on the dyno so i'm begining to see wheel spin in my future :eek:

I has been my target after over a year deciding on the turbo alone to strive for 2.0bar around 3500rpm and hold it over to 7krpm. Matt had to adjust the inlet cam to hold it back and reduce surge. (i don't have the anti surge port compressor cover yet but looks like i may need it afterall)

I have no secrets and my own opinion as some have seen recently so from turbo Air filter around to the exhaust tip it has.

Apexi Filter
Standard MAF
3" metal inlet pipe
Autobahn88 intercooler
Autobahn88 LICP 2.5"
Evolution Solutions UICP 3"
S90 70mm throttle body
Standard intake manifold port matched at throttle body by Evolution solutions
A 50% inlet gasket match by me on the inlet runners (i.e about 50% of the difference removed to leave just over 1mm cover of the inlet gasket.
Standard OEM cast exhaust manifold *ported by TRL
Turbo technics S205 3" turbo elbow
Generic 3" down pipe to Indigo GT decat with a Blue flame cat back + extra TRL mid silencer. last recoded at 96db up around 5krpm static

I have carefully choosen everything as best i can and actually researched the parts over long periods of time instead of slapping on something just because someone else is using it or its bling or the latest thing/trend.

Other basics are as some know a 2.2 stroker with a Whitfield Race Engines ported standard valve cylinder head. Kelford 272's and soon to be Ferrea Valve springs.

I didn't expect the Cosworth uprated single springs to be an issue tbh :rotz:

Matt still needs to do alot work on the map. It only did 2 pulls on high boost. There ain't alot of advance in there atm as it's very early days, looking at the log it's showing 5 degrees advance at the 6-6.5krpm area and just over 480bhp DD fly calcs. Hopefully a bit of room left in there :thumbup:

Lets see what happens but my torque target on the Dyno Dynamics is 400lbft fly at 3500rpm and 400lbft fly @ 7000rpm. I have my doubts about that but then i was iffyy on how it would spool also. Peaks of 500/500 would be sweet but that spread of torque is what is going to make it my ultimate road car :naughty:

Suck it and see i guess

Andy
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good results Andy :smthumbup should be even better on the road
Nice one Andy :smthumbup Will watch this thread with interest.
Subcsribed :smthumbup Good work that man :naughty:
great spool!

what made you decide on a big TB, while using the standard IM?

didnt you port the runners to match it to the gasket, except for the last 1mm? wouldnt it be better to match it completely?
Good news mate, looking well... be sure for a run out when its finished..
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great spool!

what made you decide on a big TB, while using the standard IM?

didnt you port the runners to match it to the gasket, except for the last 1mm? wouldnt it be better to match it completely?
The TB was cheaper than having my OEM one upgraded to 65mm.

I stopped at 1mm from the inlet gasket only really on the bottom of the runners because 1. I left it too late and ran out of time. 2. The ported head is exactly matched to the inlet manifold gasket and i didn't want any chance of a lip or turbulence in the wrong direction.

Stuck with the standard'ish intake manifold as it is to be a road car and i want to retain as much low to mid range as possible and have not seen one test to convince me that on my set up i need to do more than i have on the intake.

The standard inlet manifold has been proven as extremely hard to beat as an alrounder.

:)
Good news mate, looking well... be sure for a run out when its finished..
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Deffo mate if it all works out ok! I hope there will be nowt in it when on full chat compared to yours (i was shocked by yours a little if i'm honest). I'd be well happy with that. Similar weight and same gearbox so should be a decent comparo if there is one. :thumbup:
:thumbup: looking good andy.my motor is alive again green hta with 2.3 ,should be a nice spool :crackup:do you have any graphs mate ?
That would be great at Elvington mate.
I'm sure it might........ if only i could drive :lol:
Deffo mate if it all works out ok! I hope there will be nowt in it when on full chat compared to yours (i was shocked by yours a little if i'm honest). I'd be well happy with that. Similar weight and same gearbox so should be a decent comparo if there is one. :thumbup:
Proberly be more i would have though, with the combination of headwork, TB, cams and that tubby, sounds good!:)
Hope all go's well mate, deserve it bud:smthumbup
:thumbup: looking good andy.my motor is alive again green hta with 2.3 ,should be a nice spool :crackup:do you have any graphs mate ?
Not yet as it's early days, need to get a good solid base from the dyno and then do a "road test".

Good luck with yours, i think it might be a little bit spicey :mhihi:
Proberly be more i would have though, with the combination of headwork, TB, cams and that tubby, sounds good!:)
Hope all go's well mate, deserve it bud:smthumbup
I think the S205 is a tough one to beat in the upper rpm torque if i'm honest (Specially now they seem to have done some upgrade on them :confused: ) but matching it up above 5.5krpm on the torque front will be absolutley just fine.

Should find out soon fingers crossed *
I'm sure it might........ if only i could drive :lol:
Lend me the keys. Phil Sparky's car won there so yours will **** it.:lol:
Lend me the keys. Phil Sparky's car won there so yours will **** it.:lol:
You know for a moment there i almost considered thinking about it :lol:

Mine is a road car that sees the odd fun trackday outing not doing it for sprints or racing. That is why i put a single plate clutch back in as a reminder it's not worth it in the long run. ;)
spools nice and quick ay!!!
The TB was cheaper than having my OEM one upgraded to 65mm.

I stopped at 1mm from the inlet gasket only really on the bottom of the runners because 1. I left it too late and ran out of time. 2. The ported head is exactly matched to the inlet manifold gasket and i didn't want any chance of a lip or turbulence in the wrong direction.

Stuck with the standard'ish intake manifold as it is to be a road car and i want to retain as much low to mid range as possible and have not seen one test to convince me that on my set up i need to do more than i have on the intake.

The standard inlet manifold has been proven as extremely hard to beat as an alrounder.

:)
Good point, the S90 is very cheap.
Did you have to weld on some aluminium on one side of the IM to be able to port it to the full 70mm?

How far into the runners did you port?

Looking forward to more results from your car, good work! :coolsm:
Good point, the S90 is very cheap.
Did you have to weld on some aluminium on one side of the IM to be able to port it to the full 70mm?

How far into the runners did you port?

Looking forward to more results from your car, good work! :coolsm:
Paul at Evolution Solutions needed to weld and beef up all the way around it to get it fully ported out to match the 70mm TB.

I proberbly went down the runners just 5cm or so. I did'nt want to upset the air velocity v flow ratio too much but wanted to direct the air better into the inlet ports at the point the fuel is sprayed in. If you offer up an Inlet manifold gasket to the standard inlet manifold you will get the idea behind what i wanted to do. Nothing major really but made sense at the time after i studied the head work by Pete Whitfield and spoke to [email protected] about it. Wether or not it has had any significant impact or none at all i don't know but i feel better for having done it so i'm not think what if.

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makes sense. DIY porting is free, but personal in doubt between this and a rev2.

when do you think your mapping will be finished?
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