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Old 07-02-2016, 09:49   #1
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PLANS.. 2.3, hks, 1000cc...

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Have been reading alot lately..

I want a fast street B road car. i dont want to go nuts on power..
I dont want a car that drives like a old turbo diesel with lots of grunt in low and mid and no top end..

So because of chasing some good offers i have this at the moment..
Hks GTII 7460 KAI
Manley 2.3 crankshaft
Manley 2,3 I beam rods
1000cc DW injectors
JUN adjustable cam gears

Mods already done:
Stronger transfer axel
500fpt ATS clutch
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3" all the way exhaust with decat
255 pump with hardwire

I would guess its a bit overkill for a target of around 450..
But i would hate to suffer from "out of the corner laaaggg".. and dont what to hit a downfall in power after 6500rpm..

currently im looking into cams.. but most that run 2.3 is chasing bigger numbers so 272 often comes up.. i was thinking 264, s1, pooncam 260..

shot guys..
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Old 07-02-2016, 10:09   #2
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It depends on the mapping but that turbo on a 2.0 will give you the characteristic you want... on a 2.3 it will be torquey but flat at the top.
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Old 07-02-2016, 10:22   #3
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It depends on the mapping but that turbo on a 2.0 will give you the characteristic you want... on a 2.3 it will be torquey but flat at the top.
yah that was what i was thinking.. bought the turbo before the crank and rods.
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Old 07-02-2016, 10:39   #4
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Perhaps the new Ross sport / Owen developments would be the winner for you as it made 550 with decent spool on 2.0..I'm going for bw7670 with 2.3 ..the bw7163 is also untested but on paper should be a fast spooling 500hp turbo on a 2.3
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problem with the full frame turbos is that they are expensive...

for me you have 2 options.. Either stick to 2.3 and run the hks for a while and then get something bigger, if you decide it is not for you, or do a 2.0 and stick to a engine that is nicely drivable up to 500 hp..

we built a 2.0 wit hks and gsc s2 cams for a friend, on stock block and it is exactly how you described... linear, likes revs, wide powerband, and super fast throttle response.. He basically wanted a turbo engine that felt like a big NA motor..

However, on a strong 5 spd gearbox, a 2.3 wil be efortless fast with huge punch down below.. you have to decide what kind of fun you like..
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Quick B road car that can be driven hard....
400 horse power
Good suspension
Good discs and pads
Semi slick tyres

And off you go....

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A mate has an E8 2.3 jun 272s on an FP green hta , it goes very well and makes 500/490 .. has the great punch out of corners as he get full boost @ 3kish . it's the smallest turbo I would fit on a 2.2/2,3 .
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Hmm i might go with a different turbo.. because its low on miles and looks near mint. so that could bring back the money i payed.. then to buy another turbo..

not going 2.0 or sticking with my current engine because i want more than the 1.5bars on stock turbo/engine .. and being a fairly high milage engine and a 5 model its pushing the luck going near 400hp i would say..

would the 2.3 with this turbo feel like its running out of puff.. dont care what the dyno says.. will it make me wanna change to a new gear?

i have semi slick tyres and coilovers + rear arb 24mm ..
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Hmm i might go with a different turbo.. because its low on miles and looks near mint. so that could bring back the money i payed.. then to buy another turbo..

not going 2.0 or sticking with my current engine because i want more than the 1.5bars on stock turbo/engine .. and being a fairly high milage engine and a 5 model its pushing the luck going near 400hp i would say..

would the 2.3 with this turbo feel like its running out of puff.. dont care what the dyno says.. will it make me wanna change to a new gear?

i have semi slick tyres and coilovers + rear arb 24mm ..
It seems to rev well with the juns ... he is very happy with the choice, as he has a 4k window of power ...
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Okey so a nice pair of high lift cams.. posibly 272s would be best in either way.. just to combat some of the lack of hp in the high rpm.
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Okey so a nice pair of high lift cams.. posibly 272s would be best in either way.. just to combat some of the lack of hp in the high rpm.

The ross -sport turbo looks good with say a 2.2 .. would to me be perfect , so would an FP red as they are the same price as a green ... decisions decisions lol .
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Can't see how a 2.3 would offer anything over stock 2.0 regarding the HKS Kai.

The whole design of the HKS is excitingly quick spool while still offer ~480bhp power. Would adding extra capacity change that?

IMO there is a huge jump from a HKS Kai to the next stage I.e full frame. That's when people should think what they want as an end goal. If the end goal is clearly more power than a Kai could ever achieve I see no point in using funds on the HKS if its only a stepping stone.

On the other side, for a fast ROAD a to b car the HKS Kai takes some beating and for the money is close to a bargain!



Edit: I found very little to no lag with the HKS Kai in any situations I was in. Straight, Corning etc. Best way to describe it. 80 serious spool on steroids!
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Can't see how a 2.3 would offer anything over stock 2.0 regarding the HKS Kai.

The whole design of the HKS is excitingly quick spool while still offer ~480bhp power. Would adding extra capacity change that?

IMO there is a huge jump from a HKS Kai to the next stage I.e full frame. That's when people should think what they want as an end goal. If the end goal is clearly more power than a Kai could ever achieve I see no point in using funds on the HKS if its only a stepping stone.

On the other side, for a fast ROAD a to b car the HKS Kai takes some beating and for the money is close to a bargain!



Edit: I found very little to no lag with the HKS Kai in any situations I was in. Straight, Corning etc. Best way to describe it. 80 serious spool on steroids!
Well i have the turbo already... And the 2.3 parts.. Om Folke ting parts for a build and This came up.. I guess Ill Try to run with this.. Just need to deside on cams..
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Perhaps the new Ross sport / Owen developments would be the winner for you as it made 550 with decent spool on 2.0..I'm going for bw7670 with 2.3 ..the bw7163 is also untested but on paper should be a fast spooling 500hp turbo on a 2.3

Fingers crossed! There is always the 7670 that MAD have tested with good results.
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I have just had a 2.0 long rod built with Hks 278 cams and Hks 7460 kai turbo and mapped on race fuel VP109 and loves to rev and pulls from idle to the red line. This build has pace intercooler and alloy 2.5" pipe work simtec ecu full 3" exaust and COP ignition system. For a small turbo its really impressive for B road use. With boost levels 1.2 and 1.7 the turbo isn't flat out with low egt was how it was set up.
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