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Old 28-03-2019, 17:44   #1
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Question Low mileage 9 GT 5 Speed - Fighting gears until warm!

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There are lots of threads on stiff gearboxes and not being able to get I gear etc (which I have read), but I wanted to ask for advice on my particular problem as I don't feel a low mileage box should have this trouble, and I wonder if it's something simple to resolve it.

Basically, clutch pedal biting point is high anyway, however I don't know any different as I've never had an evo before... And I've also spoken to people who have bought a high clutch car, owned it and driven it for 5 years racking up the miles, and it hasn't changed in all that time and mileage.... I.e. That's just where the biting point is meant to be from factory.

I literally can't get it in gear once the engine is running from cold, however if I put it in reverse while the engine is off, and start the engine with the clutch pedal pressed in, I can then reverse off the drive OK. Once I'm off the drive though, I'm fighting to get it in a forward gear again.

This is weird, because after 10 minutes of running, it changes gear super easy. This has me somewhat confused. Because if I alter the clutch adjustment thing under the dash, is this really going to help my cold start problems?

I have spoken to Torque GT who imported the car and they said they really don't think it would be the clutch. I know some people will let their car warm up for 15 minutes before driving it however this isn't always practical and for this reason I'd like it to be a little easier to drive from cold. Sometimes I've got it in 1st, driven away with someone behind me and then embarrassingly I can't change to second so I'm just stuck holding people up..

I've looked at the millers oil and wonder whether changing this out will really make all the difference to my problem?

It's a 9 GT on 34, 000miles from new. I'd be interested to hear if it's a particular problem with the 5 Speed box, being that it's not really meant to be a road car and so they didn't care about these sort of refinements when driving from cold..

The oil I was going to try based on previous threads is

MILLERS Crx 75/90 NT+

Any help is really appreciated.

Cheers,

Mike

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Old 29-03-2019, 13:04   #2
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Change the oil to Millers although I've always found gearbox's a bit tight to get in gear till the oils warmed up.
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Old 29-03-2019, 19:44   #3
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id say clutch all day long , swop the oil first to see but id still say clutch is on its way out
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id say clutch all day long , swop the oil first to see but id still say clutch is on its way out
This is my thought too, but I would definitely try the oil first. Not sure these days, but redline use to be popular for tighter gearboxes on here

Also though millers do tend to be quality oils

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Take it to a local Evo specialist get them to drive it and diagnose. South West someone like Simon Norris or Lee at FCM Motorsport or PM Chambo think he still has his garage in the West Country

Probably clutch or shifter cables (if not box synchro is on its way out probably - sorry). Oil shouldn't stop you shifting gear since you are running it with the right stuff and not some cheapo treacle.
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Possibly clutch, I had a few issues with gear changes until warm on my low milage car.
I fitted Solid gear shift bushes and changed the oil for millers. Never had an issue since!
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Old 30-03-2019, 00:17   #7
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Both my GT and RS are a bit tight when cold but nothing like yours my money on the clutch
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I sort of decided to rule the clutch out of the equation on the basis that it changed fine when it was warm?

I really hope it isn't the clutch as I've only driven it 170 miles since picking it up from Torque GT (and that includes the 70 mile trip home from collecting it)

I'll change the oil and see what that does for it.

Thanks for the all the replies

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The oil topic is so subjective.

I had a bad experience in one car with Millers gearbox oil and so vowed never to use it again. The next car went in for some work doing, i said to them put the old gearbox oil back in as it isnt that old....

Came to pick the car up and they had billed me for new (millers) gearbox oil! Thought fair enough whatever, and blow me car was terrible to change gear when cold. Dropped it back out, refilled with I think Fuchs and was great once again.

Current car has Redline MT-90 (which a lot of people recommend) and is alittle awkward to change when cold though nothing as bad as the other two cars with Millers in!

Make of that what you will! All i can say is good luck as there doesnt seem to be any "one size fits all" when it comes to gearbox oils.
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Agree, millers in the gearbox for me made the gear change stiffer (evo 5 with a 4 box), the Fuchs in previously was fine

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Why not give it back to the seller to sort ?
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The oil topic is so subjective.

I had a bad experience in one car with Millers gearbox oil and so vowed never to use it again. The next car went in for some work doing, i said to them put the old gearbox oil back in as it isnt that old....

Came to pick the car up and they had billed me for new (millers) gearbox oil! Thought fair enough whatever, and blow me car was terrible to change gear when cold. Dropped it back out, refilled with I think Fuchs and was great once again.

Current car has Redline MT-90 (which a lot of people recommend) and is alittle awkward to change when cold though nothing as bad as the other two cars with Millers in!

Make of that what you will! All i can say is good luck as there doesnt seem to be any "one size fits all" when it comes to gearbox oils.
Which oil works best for a smooth gearchange, all depends on the following;

The amount of wear of the syncros

The amount of wear of the sleeve dog teeth

The amount of wear of the gear dog teeth

The bearing pre-loads

The spec of the box, ie whether Mitsubishi technical service bulletins have been carried out, which spec parts are fitted. (Lots of upgraded and different designed parts fitted from Evo 4-9)

To the OP, if there is any resistance to engage 1st gear or reverse gear when staionary, and the oil is normal 75w90, then it’s pointing towards the clutch not fully disengaging fully.
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it's not really meant to be a road car and so they didn't care about these sort of refinements when driving from cold..
Of course it's a road car, it should drive perfectly from cold so don't let anyone fob you off with that. If changing the oil doesn't sort it I'd just return it to the dealer to fix or refund. No point wasting your time and effort on someone else's problem.
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Thanks all for the replies - a shame to read about the Millers though as just order £135 worth of Millers oil for the Gearbox (Crx 75w90 NT+) , Transfer box (Crx LS 75w90 NT+) Rear Diff (Crx LS 75w90 NT+) and Engine (Cfs 5w40 NT+) Oil.

It's scary to put £50 worth of oil in only for it to maybe make it worse. I have no idea what's in it currently.

Well Clivew, I can get it in 1st and reverse when stationary with the engine off if that counts, but not easily when the engines on (cold).

Is it worth maybe bleeding the clutch?

From what I know, it's just the stock RS 5 Speed box that came on the GT, it's not a heavily modified car so I'd be very surprised if it has anything other than standard in it.

In response to getting the seller to sort it, I've spoken to them and they've said it was fine when they took it out to drive it, and I must say on the way home with it I didn't notice any issues (but then again I don't know if this is because it was already warm when I picked it up, I honestly can't say I looked at the engine temp when I drove off). They did say they would take a look at it, but it's a long 140miles round trip just for someone to take a look. It's just as far for specialists like Norris Designs or FCM for me as well which is a shame. GB Enterprises is just down the road and are likely going to be the ones to map the car so I could see what they feel regarding the gearbox.

Clive, would you recommend me putting the Millers oil in and trying that or should I try an alternative oil/method first?

Thanks again for all the help.
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if some good quality standard spec oil doesnt sort it then theres clearly a problem

i wouldnt bother with bunging in your nice expensive MILLERS in JUST to try it buy come off the shelf 75/90s and then see if it cures it then change it if it doesnt its going down the drain any way and it wont do any harm leaving it in untill you get it fixed

as for getting it back to the sellers ,youd have no chance, they would say clutch all day long ,and seeing how the OPs done a few hundred miles ,and not just got to the motorway from collection so to speek ,the seller wont cover it
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