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Old 25-06-2019, 02:19   #91
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When I bought my first TME I was listening and I thought the total output is 2500 (500 cars in each color). This is a Myth. Each month discovering new differences among these cars. So I have been working over two and a half years to find all the differences, how different they exist and a year and a half for how much they have been built. So this year I ended up on this list and I think I know a lot for these cars And the differences between them And for many other things which I can not write on the list. For European models (JMYSNCP9AYU00xxxx) the information comes from other databases and Mitsubishi database, for Japanese models (CP9A-020xxxx) It's impossible for me to cross into Mitsubishi databases. There is no case to exist vin number without an existing car (Discussions that are made around this topic It's probably made by people who do not like the specifics ...) Has never managed to collect all this information together and For the first time in 20 years, we have an Integrated list of information about our favorite TME. It is a great tool for Quick Search

I would say that many many TME owners appreciate your huge efforts on this. I can understand why some members may either not like the information you’ve provided, or query the source (a legitimate ask I’d say).

However it seems this shines a totally different light on the cars production numbers, colours etc and brings together a huge amount of information in the one spreadsheet.

I would ignore comments about this information not making a difference- of course it makes a difference. It would be great to somehow ratify each owner to car. Something to think about.

Once again a BIG thanks for all your efforts.





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Old 25-06-2019, 05:55   #92
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When I bought my first TME I was listening and I thought the total output is 2500 (500 cars in each color). This is a Myth. Each month discovering new differences among these cars. So I have been working over two and a half years to find all the differences, how different they exist and a year and a half for how much they have been built. So this year I ended up on this list and I think I know a lot for these cars And the differences between them And for many other things which I can not write on the list. For European models (JMYSNCP9AYU00xxxx) the information comes from other databases and Mitsubishi database, for Japanese models (CP9A-020xxxx) It's impossible for me to cross into Mitsubishi databases. There is no case to exist vin number without an existing car (Discussions that are made around this topic It's probably made by people who do not like the specifics ...) Has never managed to collect all this information together and For the first time in 20 years, we have an Integrated list of information about our favorite TME. It is a great tool for Quick Search
I don't think anyone is disputing the time and effort you have devoted to this. I know pulling data together into a coherent database can be a labour of love.

So far everyone who has posted up has found your database to be accurate. So it looks to be a good tool to verify your chassis build. But unless every TME owner, past and present, checks their chassis details we cannot verify that every entry signifies a chassis that left the factory. That is an impossible task.

The only route left is provinance. What database's have you used? Are they direct from Mitsubishi? Are they based of factory output?

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Old 25-06-2019, 09:04   #93
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the biggest mess was done so far because some people only measured the European market that has a different data base or the Japanese market on a Different Data Base. This is a complete job with all the TME cars that have been built. I will give you an example of the Perfect Evo 6 Monte Carlo (it's 5 Tommi makinen RS cars, which in England has been called Monte carlo version) Lists them as Evo 6 TM RS Which is the official name of the manufacturer. Monte carlo is a name of a dealer

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Old 25-06-2019, 09:16   #94
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Other information that I can confirm with confidence is that in the European (JMYSNCP9AYU00xxxx) market we have only TM RS and TME RS2 LHD and RHD and not GSR. In the Japanese market (CP9A-020xxxx) We only have TME GSR and TM RS Only RHD And No TME RS2
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Old 25-06-2019, 09:33   #95
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I can give you information about the brochure. There are four different,
1)We start from the broshure With 7 papers And 14 pages in white color and in calendar format and in Japanese language which is the brochure of the Japanese market and reports TME GSR and TM RS RHD in 5 colors (and blue).
2)is the Australian broshure a paper with 2 pages in black and it only mentions TME RS2 RHD in 4 colors.
3)is The European broshure 4 papers with 8 pages in red that mentions for TM RS and TME RS2 LHD and RHD in 4 colors.
4)is the UK broshure which is identical to the European 4 paper with 8 pages and refers to TM RS and TME GSR in 5 colors (and blue)

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I could write to you for months full of information, for a lot of but many things that could help You recognize the authenticity but if the car is complete with genuine spare parts and correct codes because unfortunately the data on the internet But also on many delegations are very poor and do not help someone build and complete such a car. More information published on the web is not complete. I am a fan of TME since 2000 and I managed to get both European models TM RS LHD and TME RS2 LHD original and 100% stock. My problem is that I do not know English very well and I have difficulty translating and writing a text. My Knowledge is useful to you
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Old 25-06-2019, 10:12   #97
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I could write to you for months full of information, for a lot of but many things that could help You recognize the authenticity but if the car is complete with genuine spare parts and correct codes because unfortunately the data on the internet But also on many delegations are very poor and do not help someone build and complete such a car. More information published on the web is not complete. I am a fan of TME since 2000 and I managed to get both European models TM RS LHD and TME RS2 LHD original and 100% stock. My problem is that I do not know English very well and I have difficulty translating and writing a text. My Knowledge is useful to you

OP thanks for your replies . Your English is better than my Greek! It seems that people are piecing together a lot of information from all over the place. It at least gives more data than what we had previously. So thanks for putting in the work



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Old 25-06-2019, 10:14   #98
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The issue you have is that some owners won’t want to admit their car is on the spreadsheet. It has ruffled some feathers and now the next thing is verification. The select few that have checked their Vin numbers are on there is a good indication the list is correct. It is getting some of the owners who are happy to make negative comments and to question the list to verify their TME as being on it.
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As far as I can see there is no issue, both of mine are on this list which is a good thing because at least they are not ringers. The point some of us are making is it makes no difference how many of each colour there are which is what is being discussed here. The "Red" TME will always be the poster car end of, that's just the way it is. To gstefanos well done for your hard work
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Agree with M3 Rob. All 3 of mine are on the list as well - But I didn't really need this list to verify that - There are multiple websites you can plug your vin into and get similar info. Its a nice to have however, since its all in one place. Great work putting it all together.

Is it possible that some VIN's in the sequence didnt get built ? The only way we'd know this is if we get the build info from the Motherland, which I doubt exists anymore, possibly long gone as Mitsubishi couldn't care less. I guess they were too busy winning championships at the time instead of counting and documenting VIN numbers for future Evo owners. Nissan now could care even less.
And honestly, I could care less.

At the end of the day, CP9A-020 and JMYSNCP is all that really matters.

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Old 26-06-2019, 04:40   #101
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Hi guys,

I helped gstefanos with this. It was a joint effort. Firstly sorry for the slow response, I have been on holiday for the past month.

I run the GTR-Registry.com website which started after I realised that VINs could be looked up on a program called Nissan FAST and it would tell you about the car (colour, production date, model code etc). This would tell you about the type of car and factory options etc, and from there I realised I could work out what # of 228 my car (R34 GT-R M-Spec) was. Well after I collected the data I realised there was 366 made. It turns out that all of the production numbers known from Japan were total bull****. Since I knew noone would believe me, I put everything in to an easy to search database and made everything public and easy to cross reference.

After the initial release of just the R34 GT-R, I had a LOT of people check the information against their car and nothing was inaccurate.

After that I added more GT-Rs and more Skylines and then other cars. In fact there are currently records of 1,865,648 cars on the website. (Go to the front page of GTR-Registry.com and spend some time looking around).

I've now had thousands of cars cross checked and everything has always been accurate. I take the accuracy of the data extremely seriously.

Along the way I also discovered that there are MANY parts websites with the exact same information. In fact I even have them all listed on my website

nissan.epc-data.com
nissan4u.com
partsfan.com
ilcats.ru
ssg.asia
Japancats.ru
7zap.com
Partsouq.com

Among others. I collected data from them and cross referenced everything and it was all accurate.

Since I had created the tools and website to collect information automatically, it was relatively easy to add more. I wanted a new challenge so I looked in to other cars.

If you've had a look around my site you'll also see I've done (non Nissan)
Lexus LFA
Mazda RX-7
WRX Sti 22B
All sourced from the same sites. These have been cross checked with many owners and they're all accurate.

I would have done the Supra too but that's already been done.

Anyway my friend said another JDM Hero to investigate is the Tommi Makinen.

So I checked my parts sites and collected the data. Unfortunately I don't actually know really anything about them (sorry - I'm a GT-R guy) so I was researching online and came across gstefanos who had done this already for Europe. We worked together a lot and this is what we came up with.

The main source data for the Tommi Makinen was https://partsfan.com. Feel free to go there and look up any VIN or collect all of the data yourself. You will see info about the car. I also used another site and cross referenced the info. All I did is automate the collection of all of the data, worked the data and then put them on the website with gstefanos's help (couldn't have done it without him).

More than happy to answer any other questions.

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Simply fill in any gaps in the sequence of chassis numbers, or add to the end of the list.

The OP has been asked on his previous thread as to how he got the data. He never responded or challenged me. The only definitive information we have is from Mitsubishi's archive and the information published in Evo article's. I am not saying the OP is wrong. He is just not providing any provinance.

Don't take things on face value.
See above. Do you think I just made stuff up?

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Hello gstefanos.

do you know what is option code 670 ?

and 003 ?

have you got a list of the option code and can you post it ?
(or too much work on this stuff to make it public?)

I think "interior code 77P " mean the "basic carisma" interior ? (For an RS)

Best regards
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I will add them soon. Unfortunately TMEEMT who offered to do this suffered a serious accident right after his offer and then I was away for the past month. I'll get them up by the end of the week.

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It’s the usual discussion year in year out, there could be thousands of Red for what difference it makes, the poster car was Red and that’s the one that people will want regardless, but your right nothing is selling at the moment
It's a thread about production numbers and rarest Tommi Makinens...?

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The guy that put this together - over 18 months of work - for the benefit of this community, deserves some thanks and applause. There will always be data that can’t be irrefutably confirmed.

Even if Mitsubishi put out production numbers, how do you actually confirm all their data is 100% accurate and free of errors.
Yep Nissan said there was 1000 nur built. Actually there was 1003, because a couple were damaged in shipment and replaced with new cars.

In fact Nissan has said there is only 300 midnight purple 2 r34 gt-r to be made (there's 346); 45x r35 gt-r 45th anniversary (there's 79) and 100x r35 gt-r midnight opal SE (there's 115). So I wouldn't take the manufacturer's claims personally anyway.

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So the question of province is important. Was this data pulled from a parts database? If so it may not be representative of what actually left the factory.
This is production data and not sales results. Some pre-production cars most likely scrapped, some may have been damaged in shipment etc. This is a list of production information made available by each VIN sorted by VIN sequence.

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It is good that people are willing to pull this data together. I do it regularly for my work. It becomes a powerful tool. You just have to remember it's limitations. This database looks to be an excellent tool to confirm your chassis build. I am just not convinced you can use it to prove production numbers.

My head is now hurting. Too much wallbang.
Get all VIN information - of course you can use it to confirm production numbers of each colour etc....?

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Agree with M3 Rob. All 3 of mine are on the list as well - But I didn't really need this list to verify that - There are multiple websites you can plug your vin into and get similar info. Its a nice to have however, since its all in one place. Great work putting it all together.

Is it possible that some VIN's in the sequence didnt get built ? The only way we'd know this is if we get the build info from the Motherland, which I doubt exists anymore, possibly long gone as Mitsubishi couldn't care less. I guess they were too busy winning championships at the time instead of counting and documenting VIN numbers for future Evo owners. Nissan now could care even less.
And honestly, I could care less.

At the end of the day, CP9A-020 and JMYSNCP is all that really matters.
As you said, there are multiple websites with this data. That's exactly what I've done. Automated the collection of every VIN, put everything in an easy to search database and then worked out the production numbers from the information. Each VIN has a model code, date and colour assigned to it. So they were definitely used.

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Well I've put my Mak through and 2 of my friends white Maks and all 3 cars are on the system, you even got the option code right on my car. Well done great tool and i appreciate all the hard work and time you have put in top job..
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Alright I've updated the option codes on the Japanese table. You can also search keywords. For example if you put sunroof in, you will get 168 results. There's also a list of all at the bottom and the quantity of each.
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Tommi Makinen Edition all prodact Vin numbers

There's a Japanese car importer in the UK that has a 22B for sale, they recently did a photoshoot with a TME and a 22B.
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There's a whatsapp web whatsapp plus Japanese car importer in the UK that has a 22B for sale, they recently did a photoshoot with a TME and a 22B.


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