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Old 24-06-2019, 21:42   #151
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Who mapped it?
CPP But history is scetchy and I should never have got it done. Should have waited for a build and turbo job but such is life!
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Old 25-06-2019, 03:23   #152
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Hi..No 75k mile engine with no history in Japan. Sold with history but when came across it 'must have got stolen from the docks'.....I doubt it had any.

Anyway I got in December 18. Serviced, cambelt and drove for about 1000 miles and decided to get map.

Cramkcase vented to induction side. Does that make a difference?

If it's in fairly standard form it probably hasn't been treated badly, if it has a lot of mods it maybe has been 'used' but would also likely have been maintained well. But at the end of the day that is high miles so is always going to be a gamble.

Did the tuner tune it so torque came in high or low in the rev range do you know?
Did they change the plugs (type)?
How were you driving it when it broke?

Venting the crankcase to atmosphere causes them to break if being revved hard for extended periods, usually a rod and probably piston.
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Old 25-06-2019, 08:48   #153
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If it's in fairly standard form it probably hasn't been treated badly, if it has a lot of mods it maybe has been 'used' but would also likely have been maintained well. But at the end of the day that is high miles so is always going to be a gamble.

Did the tuner tune it so torque came in high or low in the rev range do you know?
Did they change the plugs (type)?
How were you driving it when it broke?

Venting the crankcase to atmosphere causes them to break if being revved hard for extended periods, usually a rod and probably piston.
I dont think it was the original engine in the car. It has definatley been a track car due to mods....but recent tyres (Crap ones) to sell the car.

Basically the chap we usually buy from couldnt get one for the money I had. I bougjht from aiction and took a chance.

Gaz at CPP only set boost to 1.5 bar as he didnt know the history of the car and said I have been unlucky.

I was doing 60 MPH on M53 and went to overtake. So at 2.5k revs as soon as I put my foot down it broke...flames and all!!
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Old 25-06-2019, 10:28   #154
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I dont think it was the original engine in the car. It has definatley been a track car due to mods....but recent tyres (Crap ones) to sell the car.

Basically the chap we usually buy from couldnt get one for the money I had. I bougjht from aiction and took a chance.

Gaz at CPP only set boost to 1.5 bar as he didnt know the history of the car and said I have been unlucky.

I was doing 60 MPH on M53 and went to overtake. So at 2.5k revs as soon as I put my foot down it broke...flames and all!!
Ok.
I would have not set it higher than 1.3 bar TBH. But boost alone is not a problem contrary to popular belief. Timing too far advanced is much more dangerous, and Japanese cars run a LOT more advance due to the awesome fuel here.
I would not expect Gaz to do anything silly though.

It may be simply bad luck, they are getting old. And again if the crankcase has a breather on it then i'd certainly have at least one eye on that. If there is one, throw it in the bin is my advice.
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Old 06-07-2019, 03:09   #155
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Yes, standard internals.

I don't have a dyno plot, but I get 360HP to the wheels on my Gtech. This is about 470 at the fly. When I boost the car at 1 bar (AVCR mode Off) I get 250 HP at the wheels.
360 at the wheels is about 435 at the fly, but still decent and within what the standard engine can take on a low miles non abused engine.


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The key is not to get a massive peak torque at 4000-5000 and keep the standard rpm limit.
Correct , torque early in the rev range and using the factory rpm limit are most important protocols from a tuning perspective. Other important things are to tune to timing, not boost, not venting the PCV system, and keeping engine temps in check
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:45   #156
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Alot of people still keen to know who maps which cars when something goes pop
Just need to look at the purpose of the thread.
You push way beyond what the engine was originally designed for and your going to break it.
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Old 03-10-2019, 17:27   #157
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5. Stock blocked evo IX with TT S205 turbo (@1.7bar) running 50/50 water/meth injection (see my car for full spec)

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Old 08-10-2019, 13:33   #158
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1. Max bhp/torque figure with dyno graph
2. How long has it been running that power and how many miles?
3. Whats it's main use? (track car or road car)
4. Who mapped the car?
5. Engine spec? (include what evo standard block it is)

1. 380bhp, 390 lbs/ft.
2. Only been on this since April.
3. Road car at present, hopefully some tracks next year.
4. Cpp, Gaz/Andy Fox.
5. Evo 6 block, forged rods, standard pistons. Flowed head (SGR Ireland), Ctec front pipe including modular, Russ Fellows from decat back. Standard tme turbo and standard inlet with HKS filter, Evo 9 BOV.

Evo 9 80 series turbo going on next. May need bigger injectors, at 90% duty.
Mapped on a Dastek RR, so quite conservative.
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Peak torque at 3600rpm. How did you manage that on an evo 6 engine with a std tme gsr turbo and no stroker kit?
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Peak torque at 3600rpm. How did you manage that on an evo 6 engine with a std tme gsr turbo and no stroker kit?
I nice early boost spike and something most people don't even bother doing when looking for more power from a turbo engine
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I nice early boost spike and something most people don't even bother doing when looking for more power from a turbo engine
Yes but to me it looks strange. All dyno curves I've seen of similar setup (including mine) don't get peak torque before 4000rpm. I'm curious why.

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I nice early boost spike and something most people don't even bother doing when looking for more power from a turbo engine
Yes but to me it looks strange. All dyno curves I've seen of similar setup (including mine) don't get peak torque before 4000rpm.

EDIT: would a flowed head (is it flowed to the exhaust manifold and intake or just exhaust/intake) help that much?
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Yes but to me it looks strange. All dyno curves I've seen of similar setup (including mine) don't get peak torque before 4000rpm.

EDIT: would a flowed head (is it flowed to the exhaust manifold and intake or just exhaust/intake) help that much?
Flowing to the manifolds doesn't offer that much in gains. Flowing the head approx' 1'' either side of the valve seat does,
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Yes but to me it looks strange. All dyno curves I've seen of similar setup (including mine) don't get peak torque before 4000rpm. I'm curious why.
If you're running a cam profile that is no more than 270 degrees total duration then it can be done, if less than 265 degrees duration it's easy, and the best way for these engines anyway. My torque peak with the TME Turbo was under 4000 and even with the RS 16G it was still at 3900 rpm with 380hp atw.

This is all with factory turbos that is, obviously it's easier with ball bearing turbos.

Flowing the factory exhaust manifold in the right way can help a little too.
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Old 09-10-2019, 10:28   #165
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1. Max bhp/torque figure with dyno graph - 470 hp / 556 Nm 410 lbft
2. How long has it been running that power and how many miles? did the conversion at 85000 km, drove for 15000 km, engine opened to be forged but found no issues with the rotating assembly
3. Whats it's main use? (track car or road car) Road car
4. Who mapped the car? Me
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Stock e9 block, lightly ported head, GSC S2 cams, SD conversion using Fitronic kit, HKS 7460 turbo, ASNU 1000 CC injectors, custom 3 inch downpipe, larger oil cooler, larger IC (really cheap tube and fin one), lightest ACT flywheel

VD dyno at engine but calibrated within 2% to our conservative RRs... (Ignore WHP label)
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