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Old 20-11-2012, 20:25   #46
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Ross but if you knew where, you could prevent the returns by suggesting to people who maybe NOT to use?

I know that WOULD be bad for business but you can't really moan if your holding back on telling customers surely?

My discount has now gone lol.
It's not my business Andy. That said, I'll happily advise anyone who I believe to be well equipped and competent!
We sell a lot of Evo turbos, I can't wet nurse the people fitting them can I?
All I can do and we do is support the issues that present them selves, the vast majority of these being avoidable.
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Old 20-11-2012, 20:30   #47
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As I said in pm mark these threads do my tits in
Infact don't know why I read them
its good info though jason my cars been run properly when i quote the power at boost levels i get the "why not crank the boost up to 2.1 bar you,ll get more the s 205 can do it" this is why i dont normally post on the mlr about turbos,set ups etc you cant win
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Old 20-11-2012, 20:30   #48
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No I do understand that. I also know your a business so I do understand that!

Was just asking the question really.

I've never had a FP so can't comment. I have had a HKS and went well with no issues to report. However CPP did disable the Anti Lag as they was kind enough to give me a good warranty with the unit itself.

You hear stories of people like MAD pushing the boost to well over 2.0 bar so for reliability would you suggest a full kit is superior to most bolt on turbos as you don't seem to hear many of the full kits failing for whatever reason.
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Old 20-11-2012, 20:33   #49
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Here's a question .....how many standard say, evo 8mr or 9 turbos have failed running loads more boost than standard.? Is it me but I don't see many threads

Loads of 8/9 turbo running 1.7-2.1 bar....don't hear as many failures as aftermarket bolt on turbos running the same boost...or am I wrong here?
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Old 20-11-2012, 20:33   #50
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It is not just the turbos they are blowing up
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No I'm not naming names, but I'll happily recommend companies that I trust to map cars well and point out set up/spec issues by PM.
Just seemed like there was some traders knowledge with your comment and Anthony's.
But I can understand not wanting to name names of course.
I'll stick to my mapper and not shop about
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Old 20-11-2012, 20:43   #51
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What you will find over a period of time you will get customers that come to you and let you know their experiences.

You will hear good and bad about everybody from the best to the worst, but eventually patterns appear and you learn where issue start and come from.

It would be down to the customer to share their experience though not us as they could be Chinese wispers.
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No I do understand that. I also know your a business so I do understand that!

Was just asking the question really.

I've never had a FP so can't comment. I have had a HKS and went well with no issues to report. However CPP did disable the Anti Lag as they was kind enough to give me a good warranty with the unit itself.

You hear stories of people like MAD pushing the boost to well over 2.0 bar so for reliability would you suggest a full kit is superior to most bolt on turbos as you don't seem to hear many of the full kits failing for whatever reason.
Its not all about boost it is about turbo shaft speed also.

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Im currently going to buy the HKS tubby for my road car i have in mind what other mods im going to do also with the car.
Ross what max boost do you recommend with these turbos id rather have a 480bhp car that is reliable than a 500 that goes bang.
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I personally think as well it,s what the car,s going to be used for, mine,s just a road car and in all fairness only has little blasts as that,s all you can do road usage so I have no problem or do I worry Mark peaked mine @2bar, now heavy track usage yes, totally different, out here for 20min sessions or so, lots more heat etc etc
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Its not all about boost it is about turbo shaft speed also.

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Would that not change via the boost though? Or can you adjust shaft speed through other means?

Kind of going off topic but very useful for me in terms of bolt-on vs full kit
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Im currently going to buy the HKS tubby for my road car i have in mind what other mods im going to do also with the car.
Ross what max boost do you recommend with these turbos id rather have a 480bhp car that is reliable than a 500 that goes bang.
It's very cam and spec dependent what power it will make. ~430-450bhp would be a decent result IMO.
Personally I don't think the HKS is a bad turbo it will be fine if set up professionally by some one who can see the car is making good power at say 1.6 bar (for example) and the gains at 1.7 bar are so small they can see they are pushing the limits of the turbo, so leave if where it's happy :-)

I've heard it so many many times where the customers trying to tell the mapper how much boost they want to run! It's like wtf whos doing the job!!
The "feel" aspect of tuning cars is something that only comes with experience as everyone will be slightly different. Personally I have a lot of admiration for the good guys in this game
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But there is a growing band of others who don't have a scooby!
Running more boost than the turbo can safely produce (because thats what the customer wants?) and having to retard the spark to run that boost adding fuel to compensate is melting and killing turbos!
Exactly what i said yesterday and i'm glad to see you saying the same.

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Here's a question .....how many standard say, evo 8mr or 9 turbos have failed running loads more boost than standard.? Is it me but I don't see many threads
Again, just what i said yesterday. "stock frame turbos are s**t" ...... not if used correctly they aren't!

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Its not all about boost it is about turbo shaft speed also.
Exactly. But how many know what the shaft speed, egt, true afr are and then what they are on the road not just the dyno "money shot" run.....

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It is not just the turbos they are blowing up
Yes, rubber copies of my mum right?
Seriously though, if i hear one more lie spread on that other issue i'm going to "get medieval on their ass" I've proper f***ing had enough now. It stops here or it will get very ugly very quickly!
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To sum up, we can say that bad mappers push the turbo over their limits and, so, cause failures.

Ok.

But it doesn't answer the first question of the first message...

What are, according to you, these limits!
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But it doesn't answer the first question of the first message...

What are, according to you, these limits!

Does the flow rate not determin that?

I.e GTII HKS 7460R..........51lb/min?
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Exactly what i said yesterday and i'm glad to see you saying the same.


Again, just what i said yesterday. "stock frame turbos are s**t" ...... not if used correctly they aren't!


Exactly. But how many know what the shaft speed, egt, true afr are and then what they are on the road not just the dyno "money shot" run.....


Yes, rubber copies of my mum right?
Seriously though, if i hear one more lie spread on that other issue i'm going to "get medieval on their ass" I've proper f***ing had enough now. It stops here or it will get very ugly very quickly!
I think it is likely
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