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Old 15-11-2020, 17:08   #1
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I have been thinking about selling my red TME for a while because I drive it too less. My friends have told me to keep the car and my 12 years old daughter says ”daddy don’t sell the TME, it is gorgeus”.

The prices will probably be higher in 2025 when it is legal to import this 25 years old car in the USA.

I have invested a lot of money in this car to keep it in really good shape. All dents, scratches etc have been fixed by professionals immediately after I have noticed them. All services have also been done by evo specialists in Finland. The car had rust proofing in 2013 when imported. It also has the Defa car alarm to keep the thieves away. So I could keep the car as long as I live or to sell it now or later.

What do you think, is it a good idea to sell car or to keep it?

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Old 15-11-2020, 18:11   #2
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keep. never sell for any amount of money.
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Old 15-11-2020, 18:20   #3
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It totally depends on your circumstances. If this is the only valuable asset you own and you do need the money, then it isn't worth going hungry over keeping a car, no matter how fantastic a car it might be... But if you have no need to sell, then keep it and FFS drive it a bit more - because that's what they were made for. I personally find it heart-breaking that so many of these are stored away and never used.

It's a beautiful example and I am glad for you that you have one in such a good condition.
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Old 15-11-2020, 18:26   #4
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It totally depends on your circumstances. If this is the only valuable asset you own and you do need the money, then it isn't worth going hungry over keeping a car, no matter how fantastic a car it might be... But if you have no need to sell, then keep it and FFS drive it a bit more - because that's what they were made for. I personally find it heart-breaking that so many of these are stored away and never used.

It's a beautiful example and I am glad for you that you have one in such a good condition.
But if everyone drove theirs to the ground then there would be no clean examples left..eventually none left at all. These cars are collectors, a true piece of rally history and they must be preserved.
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Old 15-11-2020, 18:41   #5
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Money talks. If you get a big offer then sell.... All depends On what you value the car at.
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Old 15-11-2020, 19:11   #6
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Never understand these threads. You own a car, it’s your money invested in it yet you have to ask if strangers on a forum think you should sell it.

If you need to the money or want shut of it, you already know the answer.

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So what you’re saying is people shouldn’t enjoy their cars so that it keeps them going for someone else to enjoy?

There’s plenty out there in collections and museums don’t worry about that. Life is way too short to spend your time worrying about whether a car will be worth X amount in years to come.

I totally get where you’re coming from, and I agree they are amazing cars that need preserving. Just leave that to the rich collectors and Mitsubishi.


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But if everyone drove theirs to the ground then there would be no clean examples left..eventually none left at all. These cars are collectors, a true piece of rally history and they must be preserved.

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But if everyone drove theirs to the ground then there would be no clean examples left..eventually none left at all. These cars are collectors, a true piece of rally history and they must be preserved.

Difficult to know from the written word whether this is sarcasm or not? I think I detect sarcasm, though, so


A car need not be driven into the ground if it is used occasionally... even if it is a Mak being driven as it was intended to be driven. Occasionally.


Just my own opinion and I don't expect most people to subscribe to it. But it's still saddening to me to know that there are still plenty of Maks out there, but the majority being tucked away as a static piece of art, instead of the dynamic art-piece they were all intended to be.
I'm just about to write about my old 993 Carrera S in another thread, so I can back this opinion up with personal example

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Ive drove mine into the ground a few times.....and built it better each time

Sod this "stare at it over a glass of wine in the garage rubbish"

Its a 20 year old jap saloon.....not a veyron or GT40!
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Those in the JDM - Import Business in USA actually say that the prices will drop when RHD Evo 6 etc will be "legal" to import...
Because there will be plenty to go around and easy to bring it, yet the number of potential buyers will always be small.


It is driven by speculation, and most Evo owners today are kids.

Also, ability to buy a car, the middle class, is shrinking: car sales are down hugely across USA and EU. New cars are good and if you consider that brand new Porsche 718 Cayman base price is $55,000...with warranty ..and you reflash it or even drop in a 718 S turbo (used) to get amazing power out of one...why would one go and pay $50K for 25 year old Evo? IN RHD even, so you cannot pass on normal 2-lane road.


Just food for thought.
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You’ve just single handedly ruined the polishers Sunday evening. And you’ve just halved the Red Mak values

In all seriousness that’s an interesting way of thinking. I may possibly have to agree with it. It certainly is a good point.



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Those in the JDM - Import Business in USA actually say that the prices will drop when RHD Evo 6 etc will be "legal" to import...
Because there will be plenty to go around and easy to bring it, yet the number of potential buyers will always be small.


It is driven by speculation, and most Evo owners today are kids.

Also, ability to buy a car, the middle class, is shrinking: car sales are down hugely across USA and EU. New cars are good and if you consider that brand new Porsche 718 Cayman base price is $55,000...with warranty ..and you reflash it or even drop in a 718 S turbo (used) to get amazing power out of one...why would one go and pay $50K for 25 year old Evo? IN RHD even, so you cannot pass on normal 2-lane road.


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Quote=It is driven by speculation, and most Evo owners today are kids.


Hmm....not sure i agree with that!...most kids dont know what an Evo is!!

Most kids now have got golf R's or audi rs4 on pcp to death.

Times have changed...400bhp is the norm now....with flappy paddle gearboxes and ipad dash boards.
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Old 16-11-2020, 01:46   #13
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I have been thinking about selling my red TME for a while because I drive it too less. My friends have told me to keep the car and my 12 years old daughter says ”daddy don’t sell the TME, it is gorgeus”.

The prices will probably be higher in 2025 when it is legal to import this 25 years old car in the USA.

I have invested a lot of money in this car to keep it in really good shape. All dents, scratches etc have been fixed by professionals immediately after I have noticed them. All services have also been done by evo specialists in Finland. The car had rust proofing in 2013 when imported. It also has the Defa car alarm to keep the thieves away. So I could keep the car as long as I live or to sell it now or later.

What do you think, is it a good idea to sell car or to keep it?

There are some pictures here https://www.instagram.com/marko.heinonen.finland/

And some videos here:

https://youtu.be/Lm5NA7rA2mY

https://youtu.be/I5t4ed3ZUQQ

https://youtu.be/L3l5prYBsiA

https://youtu.be/pRGDviu-0Nc

https://youtu.be/_Rg860T4RDc

https://youtu.be/umemjylpxKI

https://youtu.be/ZXJpS5yrPDM

https://youtu.be/1TVUyXT0Zug

https://youtu.be/MnKjRpalGXA


I’m in the exact same position as you - but my enjoyment ultimately comes from owning it not necessarily from just driving it (its only done 3,000km in the last 9years) but I’m still happy to have it.

There is literally no other car out there at the moment (that I can afford if I sell it) that appeals to me as much as a TME.

Until that day comes I’ll be keeping mine.
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It is driven by speculation, and most Evo owners today are kids.
Someone should have told me im a kid at 30 years old , most evo owners I know are in their 40s, True when I was a kid I dreamt of owning one but could never afford it until later in life. To some car enthusiasts dropping 50k plus on these 4 door saloons is much more worth than buying a Porsche, Uniqueness factor is much higher especially when you're talking about the mak. A cayman which will only depreciate in value, Evo can outperform with only few modifications. Love Porsche but sorry I love evos way more and im sure those who spend the cash for them would agree with me
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Old 16-11-2020, 06:47   #15
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Those in the JDM - Import Business in USA actually say that the prices will drop when RHD Evo 6 etc will be "legal" to import...
Because there will be plenty to go around and easy to bring it, yet the number of potential buyers will always be small.


It is driven by speculation, and most Evo owners today are kids.

Also, ability to buy a car, the middle class, is shrinking: car sales are down hugely across USA and EU. New cars are good and if you consider that brand new Porsche 718 Cayman base price is $55,000...with warranty ..and you reflash it or even drop in a 718 S turbo (used) to get amazing power out of one...why would one go and pay $50K for 25 year old Evo? IN RHD even, so you cannot pass on normal 2-lane road.


Just food for thought.
You never know what happens to the prices. More than 99% of the cars are LHD in Finland but there are thousands of RHD cars here also. And more RHD cars are imported every day. I have heard many times that the steering wheel is on the wrong side, passing is impossible etc. I bought my first RHD car in 2006 (EVO 3) and I think that it is easy to drive an RHD car among theLHD cars. Passing is not impossible even on a 2-lane road. It is easy to pass family cars but if you drive close to a big car like truck, passing is more difficult.

There are about 5,5 million people in this country and 331 millions in the USA. If every thousandth people buys a RHD car, there are potential 5500 buyers here and 331000 in the USA.

In 2006 i was considering buying a BMW e30 M3 in Germany. The cheapest ones cost about 13000 euros those times. I thought that it is too much for an old BMW and I decided to wait for the prices going down. Now the cheapest ones cost at least 50000 euros and these cars are slow only 195-215 hp. There is one e30 M3 sport evolution model with 2.5 liter engines and 238 hp at Pistonheads and the price is 129990 pounds. This is a LHD car in the UK where most people drive RHD cars.

What happens to the prices in 2025 is not the point for me. I drive the TME only a few times per year and I have to pay for the insurances, taxes, services, new tires etc. The TME is in our garage in the summertime and our family cars are outside. In winter it is in my parents garage because they have room for several cars.

Evos are really nice and a red TME is brilliant but is it worth owning a car that stays in the garage 99% of the time?

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