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Old 04-11-2010, 13:43   #31
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Eugene, thats a different weight to teh one shown in the Rossport thread
Indeed, surprised me too. That's why I double checked with the pistons, and the only differ 1gr from the spec sheet.

Will try to find a second scale and see if that gives the same value.
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Old 04-11-2010, 13:44   #32
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Grant, which Pauter are they normal or lightweight model?
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Old 04-11-2010, 14:06   #33
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Old 04-11-2010, 14:34   #34
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Eugene, thats a different weight to teh one shown in the Rossport thread
The ones Eugene has are a wide bearing version.
There are lots of options on our rods.
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I'm sorry but I call ****** on that
Copy pasted from their web site:

http://www.manleyperformance.com/sc/...g63_rods.shtml
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Old 05-11-2010, 21:08   #36
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Keeping the thread clean I see ???

Come on guys.... fill in the blanks
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Old 08-11-2010, 12:56   #37
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Weights from rods in stock:

Manley Turbo Tuff I beam 150mm 674g
Oliver I beam 150mm 580g
Oliver I beam Extreme 150mm 650g
K1 150mm standard weight 580g
K1 150mm light weight 530g

Oliver I beam Extreme 156mm 646g
K1 156mm lightweight 538g

Manley Evo X 647g
K1 Evo X 540g
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Old 08-11-2010, 12:57   #38
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Have now made this a sticky as it's got a lot of good info in it.

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P.S. Have tidied it up as well. The slightly off-topic stuff is now in another thread

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Pics of an even lighter weight 162mm rod R&R are making for us.
This is the GENUINE weight of this 162mm rod with ARP625 bolts. Pretty cool I think :-)

It is an even lighter weight version we are testing. See second pic for where the material has been removed

As a side note; weight above the the parting line is really where you need to be looking :-)

The (stock) 150mm version of this rod will be around 530grams & at least 800bhp capable.





Nice looking rods Ross

Id like to see a little more smoothing around where the extra material has been removed.

What specs do your suppliers work to:

Big/Small end & bore taper + surface finish
Rod length
Big/small end paralellism/distortion
Front/rear face paralellism

There is a lot to making a good conrod. Removing rotating weight is always a good thing but there is a limit with the most stressed part of the engine. There is lots of rotating mass to be removed from the rest of the engine and transmission.
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Nice looking rods Ross

Id like to see a little more smoothing around where the extra material has been removed.

What specs do your suppliers work to:

Big/Small end & bore taper + surface finish
Rod length
Big/small end paralellism/distortion
Front/rear face paralellism

There is a lot to making a good conrod. Removing rotating weight is always a good thing but there is a limit with the most stressed part of the engine. There is lots of rotating mass to be removed from the rest of the engine and transmission.
Lets keep it clean please instead of discussing individual items.
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Weights from rods in stock:

Manley Turbo Tuff I beam 150mm 674g
Oliver I beam 150mm 580g
Oliver I beam Extreme 150mm 650g
K1 150mm standard weight 580g
K1 150mm light weight 530g

Oliver I beam Extreme 156mm 646g
K1 156mm lightweight 538g

Manley Evo X 647g
K1 Evo X 540g
Cheers Gav, I will update the thread.
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Would be nice to add the manufacturers power rating against each rod too as without that the weight means nothing.

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Would be nice to add the manufacturers power rating against each rod too as without that the weight means nothing.

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I think you will find most of the manufacturers dont give a power / torque reading GUM.
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I think you will find most of the manufacturers dont give a power / torque reading GUM.
Oh thats odd, last time I checked all manufacturers even carrillo gave a rating per rod otherwise how on earth would you choose. Just going for the lightest means diddlysquat! its the actual weight and power rating that people use when buying rods along with a few obvious other things. carrillo 4g63 h-beam with Carr rod bolts have a power rating of 250hp+ per cylinder and with their other bolt their rating reduces to upto 250hp. So if you plan on running over 1000hp Carrillo have made it obvious you will gain weight and expense by using the Carr bolts but it is recommend for your given power level.

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Using Gav's data which I believe is accurate the:

Manley Turbo Tuff I beam 150mm weighs 674g and I believe 1000hp+ set of rods (across 4 cylinders).

The Carrillo PRO-H-BEAM from your list is showing 566g but no mention of rod bolt used, so for example lets say it is inc CARR bolts which makes these rods 1000hp+ like the Manleys Turbo Tuff's.

Now with both the power rating and weight of these two rods I can know if they actually are suibtable for my application. If I wanted scope for 1000hp+ in the future and looked at these two rods stats it would leave me the following questions:

1) Whats the price difference?
2) Is the reduced rotational weight worth the extra expenses of the Carrillo rod?
3) Where are the items manufactured and what quality control procedurers are used to ensure a 100% healthy product.

My choice would be CARRILLO but others may think differently... point is with power rating added to this thread it becomes very useful rather than just a sticky for weights which is no use to the average Joe.

And we all know rod manufacturers give power ratings with there rods or they shouldnt be making them

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