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Old 17-05-2019, 23:25   #46
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Ohlins probably did more research than Mits. Thats all they do - suspension R&D.

...and managed to miss the spring rates on the evo 7,8,9 kit..

I highly doubt they did more work than mitsubishi on any of the two platforms..

Having said that, the R&T kit is great combo of performance and comfort, and is even better after you adjust the springs rates a bit. I have installed some 4 kits now and they work real well..
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Old 19-05-2019, 02:09   #47
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had ohlins and very good on road..wanted to try kw clubsports £2500 as mainly track work...see what there like


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exe-tec when they released there coil over suspension ?
it was the must have kit..ohlins was not even in the running? if exe-tec started making them again ? and was same price ? would ohlins be the top daddy...i spoke to exe-tec years ago and they didnt make alot of money selling the kits...also they get their springs from faulkner who do springs


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Old 20-05-2019, 13:44   #49
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exe-tec when they released there coil over suspension ?
it was the must have kit..ohlins was not even in the running? if exe-tec started making them again ? and was same price ? would ohlins be the top daddy...i spoke to exe-tec years ago and they didnt make alot of money selling the kits...also they get their springs from faulkner who do springs


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exe-tc concentrates on high end racing stuff,.... I doubt they will make a "budget" coilover again..

there are other systems in the ohlins price range.. like AST 5100, 5200, 5300 or Intrax
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Old 20-05-2019, 15:08   #50
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From the physical point of view, Ohlins are Mono-tube damper while most mass market TEIN are twin-tube dampers (Tein do not do mono-tube damper until you get to the MonoFlex range).
So that is a reason for price difference.

Ohlins body are made out of alloy, Tein body are made out of steel.
The performance difference are up for debate, but there is a cost difference involved there also.

The biggest factor I would say are the internal used.
Ohlins DFV internal are much more complex, and require higher degree of precision.
They also have a lower volume so they cannot be mass produced.
Tein internal are more basic, and can be mass produced at a much cheaper price.

The question is if the performance difference is wroth the price?
In my view, yes. There are a lot of advantage a properly sorted mono-tube damper can bring to the performance table.
So if budget allows, a well sorted mono-tube damper is the base of a good performance damper.
(I say this loosely as there are high pressure twin-tube dampers like the Ohlins TTX, but those are not "common" twin-tube dampers).

In my view, if you go from the OEM Bilstein to a set of Twin-Tube Tein dampers.
It is actually taking a step back on the performance level.

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...and managed to miss the spring rates on the evo 7,8,9 kit..

I highly doubt they did more work than mitsubishi on any of the two platforms..

Having said that, the R&T kit is great combo of performance and comfort, and is even better after you adjust the springs rates a bit. I have installed some 4 kits now and they work real well..
Sorry to digress but am I right in thinking the R&T kit for CT9A comes with springs: 10k front, 8k rear?

What do you suggest in terms of adjusting the spring rates - swapping front to rear or have you found different spring rates that work better?

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I have swapped them around and it is one solution, but with stiffer rear ARB that we have on that car it is a bit lively in the rear, on the road... On the track it will heat up the front tires and become nicely neutral.. I will try that car next with stock ARB and that should work well with 8 fronts and 10 K in the rear.

For my own car (this is a friends one) I am going for 8 front and 9 rear...

So, to answer your question in a shorter manner.. I would first try 8F 10R with stock rear ARB, then go fo 9K rear if that is too much. Road tires.... Slicks and track work might require stiffer springs..
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I have received 14K Front Springs for track use with slicks. I will put the 10K Spring of the front at the rear.
Stock ARB.

I'll try this this summer
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My old Time Attack 9 used to run 16s front and rear (but they weren't Ohlins). And a 27mm rear arb. Seemed to work pretty well....
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