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Lovinit 28-09-2019 22:43

Importing an R grade... value? Resale value?
 
Hey there guys,

Iím new to the evo game and looking for a bit of advice... Iíve got my eye on an import... itís currently here and itís mine if Iím open to it! Itís pretty much standard which is a big plus.. mileage is decent... but apparently itís been graded R... now according to the auction sheet itís had a wing replaced! Thatís about it... everything looks good otherwise...

Are R grades a no no... are they devalued in the same way a cat c/d can be? Does it effect the resale value.. or the general value? Does it effect the current sale value- should it be much lower priced than say a 3.5 or 4?

I have searched on the forum and Iíve found various things but nothing that tells
Me if itís a def no or what the R grade does to the value of the car in the long run!

Any info would be helpful... thanks

HSV_V8 29-09-2019 07:36

I think you will find that in some cases and R grade car can be better than a grade 3.5-4, just depends what work has been done and the level of damage previously repaired. I think it's safer to get the car properly inspected beforehand in Japan just to be sure but if it's a case of just a wing change then for me it could be a very good value for money buy and wouldn't put me off.

I bought an STI RA Impreza grade R and it had had the bonnet replaced but otherwise was in amazing condition and it didn't detract from the car at all.

You have to take each car as it comes but i'd advise an inspection before but if the car is still very good I don't think it will have a significant effect on future value but could be cheaper to pick up to start with. After all the grading system is very much open to interpretation and can be changed in some cases to get the car to sell more favorably in Japan.

TMEEMT 29-09-2019 08:53

IMO and R grade ex Jap auction car may be every bit as good as a 3-4 grade - it depends on the person doing the grading.

The only thing is would an R grade affect resale? For me it did as I was buying an Evo 6 R grade. For hold of the auction sheet and the roof had been replaced.

But most people buying a JDM Evo never see (or ask for ) the original auction sheet.

If it was me and the car checked out really well, with confirmed minor damage and was the right price, Iíd buy it.

In the example I had above, the price was too steep for an R grade plus I suspected it had been rolled. Hope it works out for you.


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M3 ROB 29-09-2019 10:19

Any vehicle that is imported from Japan that has had any panel or paint repaired will be an R grade. If the auction sheet has it noted and everything else checks out then go for it, as has already been said most R grade cars are as clean as a non R grade car :smthumbup good luck with it :)

Raf 29-09-2019 10:32

IF its not a massive damage car then buy on condition rather than grade. I have seen a an Impreza STi that had a wing / bonnet and tailgate replaced and was a grade 4 and the same auction house / sale another Impreza same age grade R that had no panels replaced but quite a few small marks on the bodywork.
Guess it depends on the person grading the cars at the time.

Lovinit 29-09-2019 15:47

Sounds like it’s not the end of the world of an import is rated R... I was worried it had the stigma of a cat c or d like we do in the uk.. I guess it Jst depends on the car n sheet!

Adz_306 29-09-2019 20:56

Go and view it, as long as itís not rotten and checks out ok doesnít really matter what grade it is . As for selling, people who know the evo scene will b looking for a clean rot free evo regardless of grade .
Good luck :smthumbup

mlau1294 29-09-2019 21:39

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Originally Posted by Lovinit (Post 6197583)
Sounds like itís not the end of the world of an import is rated R... I was worried it had the stigma of a cat c or d like we do in the uk.. I guess it Jst depends on the car n sheet!

Surely a cat c/d etc. is given by an insurance company due to something happening and not economical to repair / replace whereas an auction grade is given by whoever happens to be filling out the auction sheet at the time, so I wouldn't really compare the two...

super rover 30-09-2019 07:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlau1294 (Post 6197633)
Surely a cat c/d etc. is given by an insurance company due to something happening and not economical to repair / replace whereas an auction grade is given by whoever happens to be filling out the auction sheet at the time, so I wouldn't really compare the two...

thats how i see ti ,you cant compare the 2

my old evo 4 rs was a 4.5 ,she was a superb wee car, that unbeknown to the auction folks and the importer it had had a fairly good whack resulting in a rear 1/4 replacement ,it was a GOOD job very good ,only noticeable when i stripped the car ,it wasnt an issue to me i liked hwo they repaired ti so well but to some that would have lost there shirt over it

Lovinit 30-09-2019 11:46

That’s great guys.... I guess them not being comparable to the cat c and d was the answer I was looking for... I wasn’t sure how it effected the perseption of the car! Thanks for the info peeps . Let u know how it goes ...

RichW 04-10-2019 07:36

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Originally Posted by M3 ROB (Post 6197529)
Any vehicle that is imported from Japan that has had any panel or paint repaired will be an R grade


I have seen lots of auction sheets with replaced panels that are not grade R so that is not true.

Grade R can be very good value for money and as good as a 3 or 3.5 - yes, I agree. It can also be a lot worse. Inspection is a must.

However, resale values will be lower and you may even struggle to re-sell it; I was speaking to a life long friend last week and his son bought an import from a company without auction check. Two years on looking to buy a house he then tried to sell the car on. As is the case quite often you are better off letting these cars go back to a specialist. The deal is all set up but the next specialist then Jap HPI's it, finds out its a grade R and wants nothing to do with it. Lads now stuck with car and doesn't want to sell it private without telling any potential owner its a grade R - which may or may not put them off or stop them from buying. So tread carefully!

M3 ROB 04-10-2019 16:31

My bad Rich, but Iíd rather have a properly repaired car than a car thatís been serviced by the ďhome mechanic fairyĒ :smthumbup

RichW 04-10-2019 18:11

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OK so here's a few examples - i was at work earlier so didnt have access to my files. The whole grade R situation is a real minefield. As you can see none of these cars was graded R yet all have had replaced panels, and then you have other cars with replaced panels that have been graded R. What the difference is the person grading the car would be best person to tell you.

RichW 04-10-2019 18:31

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Some grade R examples....

RichW 04-10-2019 18:42

Interestingly the top one has the least mileage 24,480km (15,211 miles), yet has the most paint damage, as well as replaced front wings, bonnet and boot. Clearly used for motorsports.

Even so, once imported with a full respray and no UK history you've got a mint low mileage car?


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