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Madevelopments offers New Ecu

Mark Shead
28-02-2014, 19:11
Hello All

I am pleased to announce that I am the UK Distributor for Emtron Engine Management systems,
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s240/madevelopments/kv8_zps3fdf5322.jpg (http://s153.photobucket.com/user/madevelopments/media/kv8_zps3fdf5322.jpg.html)
http://emtronaustralia.com.au/shop/category/product/?catid=1&prodid=1
This new to the market Ecu has a very impressive spec list and is a very high performance unit that makes it really stand out at this price level,
The plug and play for the Evo4 to 9 is 2095+vat.

Mark

leecavturbo
28-02-2014, 19:13
Bargain nice big memory

simon999
28-02-2014, 19:40
This is going on my beast ;) cannot wait !

wozzy
28-02-2014, 19:43
This is going on my beast ;) cannot wait !

Now there's a surprise :lol:

Mark Shead
28-02-2014, 19:44
Bargain nice big memory

64mb is very big:).

Mark

Mark Shead
28-02-2014, 19:44
Now there's a surprise :lol:

And whats going on yours:crackup::mhihi:

Mark

simon999
28-02-2014, 19:46
Now there's a surprise :lol:

Only the best ;) gone so far might as well finish it off haha

wozzy
28-02-2014, 19:47
And whats going on yours:crackup::mhihi:

Mark

Er......:o

simon999
28-02-2014, 19:50
Er......:o

Get ya wallet out lol

Andrew B
28-02-2014, 20:09
No disrespect intended

But how does it compare to the

Motec m150
Syvecs s8

Mark Shead
28-02-2014, 20:14
No disrespect intended

But how does it compare to the

Motec m150
Syvecs s8

Its best to take a look at there spec's and then compare youself at the hard numbers.

Mark

GUM EVO
28-02-2014, 20:21
Good stuff Mark and thanks for answering my PM... I'm sure this will be brilliant and prove a huge success over here. Can't wait to see some M.A.D cars out there doing the biz with this.

Tim Radley
28-02-2014, 21:08
No disrespect intended

But how does it compare to the

Motec m150
Syvecs s8

Here you go. If i've missed anything please shout and i will update.

BradGT
28-02-2014, 21:11
:naughty:

Tim Radley
28-02-2014, 21:12
Hello All

I am pleased to announce that I am the UK Distributor for Emtron Engine Management systems

This new to the market Ecu has a very impressive spec list and is a very high performance unit that makes it really stand out at this price level,
The plug and play for the Evo4 to 9 is 2095+vat.

Mark

Well done, glad to finally see you annouce it. The details are a bit sketchy on their site. What is the logging software like?

Mark Shead
28-02-2014, 21:17
There is also a KV12 and KV16 but there is no need for those on the Evo platform.

Mark

Tim Radley
28-02-2014, 21:19
There is also a KV12 and KV16 but there is no need for those on the Evo platform.

Mark

Yes agreed. Similarly Syvecs have S6 and S12 among others.

Do you have specs on the KV12 and KV16? They aren't shown on the site.

Mark Shead
28-02-2014, 21:20
Yes agreed. Similarly Syvecs have S6 and S12 among others.

Do you have specs on the KV12 and KV16? They aren't shown on the site.

I will give some updates tomorrow.

Mark

Mark Shead
28-02-2014, 21:36
The base price for ecu with no loom or sensors is 1695+vat.

Mark

evomad786
28-02-2014, 22:13
compared to my vipec ;-)

NINJA
01-03-2014, 07:41
any software pics by any chance??

Matt TRL
01-03-2014, 09:00
Looks a nice piece of kit

Just requested a password to look at the software

Matt

RabRS
01-03-2014, 09:29
Looks a nice piece of kit

Just requested a password to look at the software

Matt

I reckon they'll have a hotline, so you can phone them with any mapping issues as you encounter them. :smthumbup

grants
01-03-2014, 09:49
Demo software pic :)

leecavturbo
01-03-2014, 09:59
Demo software pic :)

:smthumbup The syvecs has a terrible Ui imo :cry:

Tim Radley
01-03-2014, 11:08
:smthumbup The syvecs has a terrible Ui imo :cry:

Its the logging software that put me off Syvecs. If it was like i2 Pro in Motec it would do much better in motorsport applications.

Matt TRL
01-03-2014, 11:21
:smthumbup The syvecs has a terrible Ui imo :cry:

I find Syvecs UI realy good, The Logging memory could be a bit larger

Matt

leecavturbo
01-03-2014, 17:35
Was a bit harsh maybe but you can't jump fresh straight in a easily navigate like most I thought

Mark Shead
02-03-2014, 09:31
Yes agreed. Similarly Syvecs have S6 and S12 among others.

Do you have specs on the KV12 and KV16? They aren't shown on the site.

Tim give me your email add and will send details to update your list.

Mark

Unobtainium
02-03-2014, 09:57
:smthumbup The syvecs has a terrible Ui imo :cry:

it's not pretty but it does everything you need and more.

the s6 is also an absolute bargain. you don't have to pay for every little upgrade either. I also find the syvecs gang/mappers to be absolute geniuses.

Hic
04-03-2014, 04:39
Emtron is pretty :)

Hypertune makes the robust cases of billet aluminium :)

Waiting for my 2, on the way with DHL!

Tim Radley
06-03-2014, 10:19
I've updated the spec on page 1

Mark Shead
06-03-2014, 10:47
I've updated the spec on page 1

Tim did you taken in to account of the option cost on the other Ecus as the Emtron has all the functions working so there is no added/hidden costs.

Mark

Tim Radley
06-03-2014, 12:17
Tim did you taken in to account of the option cost on the other Ecus as the Emtron has all the functions working so there is no added/hidden costs.

Mark

What option costs mate?

grants
06-03-2014, 12:34
I've updated the spec on page 1

For the record Emtron and Syvecs do not have LIN :)

Tim Radley
06-03-2014, 12:36
For the record Emtron and Syvecs do not have LIN :)

Oops. I'll delete after just jumping on dyno

Mark Shead
06-03-2014, 13:37
What option costs mate?

Logging lambda ALS mivec.

Mark

scoobyslayer
06-03-2014, 13:49
What advantages does this have over autronics??

Hic
06-03-2014, 13:50
Let's see....more than 100!

Hic
06-03-2014, 13:51
Autronic became old **** after all.

Tim Radley
06-03-2014, 14:07
Logging lambda ALS mivec.

Mark

It doesn't work like M800 purchasing anymore.

Come with 120mb logging. There are two upgrades, the biggest taking it to 2000 channels at 1000Hz with 256mb

Lambda you connect via a lambda to can interface

Anti-lag and Mivec are built into some of the packages as is knock control and most other things so no upgrade cost. You buy a package licence to suit your application ranging from basic to very advanced. The options and features depend on what was written into the code and what they want to charge. There are some very competent package available from Motec that will happily run a high level rally car for example for not a lot of money.

Hic
06-03-2014, 14:14
Tim

you just forget to define "not a lot of money".

Any VEMS **** for 300€ can run any rally car, the difference is only in will to spend the money.

But as we know, there is a big difference in "running" the car and running the car, after all.

ANY good tuner/builder is THE EDGE that will the customer get for their money, NOT the piece of electronics they buy. But the man behind it.

Tim Radley
06-03-2014, 14:21
Tim

you just forget to define "not a lot of money".

Any VEMS **** for 300 can run any rally car, the difference is only in will to spend the money.

But as we know, there is a big difference in "running" the car and running the car, after all.

ANY good tuner/builder is THE EDGE that will the customer get for their money, NOT the piece of electronics they buy. But the man behind it.

True BUT even a great mapper can be limited by the ecu. If it doesn't have the necessary parameters or strategies then not much the mapper can do there.

As for a lot of money. Well a Marvel 4 ecu is over 40k and the coding licence is over 80k. Some of the ecu's are 6 figures. So this stuff here is great value.

One man's ceiling is another man's floor :smthumbup

Hic
06-03-2014, 14:34
True BUT even a great mapper can be limited by the ecu. If it doesn't have the necessary parameters or strategies then not much the mapper can do there.

As for a lot of money. Well a Marvel 4 ecu is over 40k and the coding licence is over 80k. Some of the ecu's are 6 figures. So this stuff here is great value.

One man's ceiling is another man's floor :smthumbup

I totally agree with everything said.

But, there is one quote I remeber: What can you do with 50 billon $, that you cannot do with 10?

So, all these ecu's are more than capable of controlling the engine...it's just a question of WHO will do it properly.

My money is on Mark ;)

wozzy
06-03-2014, 14:36
True BUT even a great mapper can be limited by the ecu. If it doesn't have the necessary parameters or strategies then not much the mapper can do there.

As for a lot of money. Well a Marvel 4 ecu is over 40k and the coding licence is over 80k. Some of the ecu's are 6 figures. So this stuff here is great value.

One man's ceiling is another man's floor :smthumbup

40k :eek: what sort of car/bike runs that kind/spec of ECU? LMP1? WTC? GT1? WRC? MotoGP?

Hic
06-03-2014, 14:38
Marvel 4 can be bought for 5kŁ

Tim Radley
06-03-2014, 14:50
40k :eek: what sort of car/bike runs that kind/spec of ECU? LMP1? WTC? GT1? WRC? MotoGP?

No the top-end stuff is 6 figures mate

Tim Radley
06-03-2014, 14:51
Marvel 4 can be bought for 5kŁ

Used and very old package maybe

wozzy
06-03-2014, 14:55
No the top-end stuff is 6 figures mate

:eek: 'Motorsport is a rich mans game'. Never a truer word spoken :o

Mark Shead
06-03-2014, 17:16
What advantages does this have over autronics??

The Autronic is a great old unit but is outdated compared to the newer units, The biggest benefit would be the safety features you can add to these ecu's as in Knock control/AFR correction wideband/Fuel pressure and temp correction and many other things,
You can limit boost for dett and fueling is prob the first thing you would add on a road car.

Mark

Mark Shead
06-03-2014, 17:43
One for a Evo:Dand one for a 1000hp Cosworth project:mhihi:
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s240/madevelopments/Emtron028_zpsb7166fe2.jpg (http://s153.photobucket.com/user/madevelopments/media/Emtron028_zpsb7166fe2.jpg.html)

Mark

GUM EVO
06-03-2014, 18:48
So are the motec prices on that spreadsheet all including mivec activation even for evo x, launch control, anti lag and knock control etc etc??

Gary @ APT
06-03-2014, 19:03
lets just use m800 as thats current ecu for time being

evo 4-9 1980 base ecu with adv functions,logging 1mg free
evo 10 2394 base ecu with dbw,cam control, adv features

mivec for 9 283
wideband 472
knock for evo 4-9 576 evo 10 468

scoobyslayer
06-03-2014, 19:06
So how much triad in would I get on the autronics if I was to change??

Mark Shead
06-03-2014, 19:17
So how much triad in would I get on the autronics if I was to change??

Best to look on here and see what people are selling them for.

Mark

grants
06-03-2014, 19:18
lets just use m800 as thats current ecu for time being

evo 4-9 1980 base ecu with adv functions,logging 1mg free
evo 10 2394 base ecu with dbw,cam control, adv features

mivec for 9 283
wideband 472
knock for evo 4-9 576 evo 10 468

That makes sense Gary :)

May I ask why we are all debating the, alleged, advantages of Motec on a thread Mark started re his new ECU :confused:

Maybe because Tim has MoTec tattooed on his dick :wallbang:

Grant

Sorry Gary for high jacking your post

G

grants
06-03-2014, 19:20
One for a Evo:Dand one for a 1000hp Cosworth project:mhihi:
Mark

The latter appeals to me ;)

Gary @ APT
06-03-2014, 19:21
i hear you grant but

tbh it is in open forum so if mark wants it to be his thread post on traders section.

Mark Shead
06-03-2014, 19:22
The latter appeals to me ;)

It will make it or die trying:eek:.

Mark

Mark Shead
06-03-2014, 19:22
i hear you grant but

tbh it is in open forum so if mark wants it to be his thread post on traders section.

Never thought of doing that:crackup:.

Mark

grants
06-03-2014, 19:29
It will make it or die trying:eek:.

Mark

Can I be the Coroner at the inquest . . ;)

Mark Shead
06-03-2014, 19:36
Can I be the Coroner at the inquest . . ;)

:crackup: I will be looking for a new engine dyno to map it on if you know of a couple of good ones.

Mark

lawsy
06-03-2014, 19:57
:crackup: I will be looking for a new engine dyno to map it on if you know of a couple of good ones.

Mark

Use Norris engine dyno

grants
06-03-2014, 19:59
:crackup: I will be looking for a new engine dyno to map it on if you know of a couple of good ones.

Mark

Maybe Dorris :confused: or the other one ;) whose dry sump option for a standard 4WD Cossie is a work of art :coolsm:

:)

Mark Shead
06-03-2014, 20:00
Use Norris engine dyno

No this is not for discussion.

Mark

Mark Shead
06-03-2014, 20:01
Maybe Dorris :confused: or the other one ;) whose dry sump option for a standard 4WD Cossie is a work of art :coolsm:

:)

JG is an option but temped for a non YB tuner to run the dyno.

Mark

wozzy
06-03-2014, 20:01
maybe dorris :confused: Or the other one ;) whose dry sump option for a standard 4wd cossie is a work of art :coolsm:

:)

jg?

Hic
07-03-2014, 10:01
Mine are here buahahahahahttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/07/y2ejutam.jpg

Tim Radley
08-03-2014, 11:09
So are the motec prices on that spreadsheet all including mivec activation even for evo x, launch control, anti lag and knock control etc etc??

Those features are all written into the GPR package that Motec sell along with a bunch of other stuff and that retails at 700+vat currently. There are other options on the market from other vendors. The ecu is a blank box until you load a package for your car into it and that carries a licence fee. But its down to the coder and base package what it comes with. But when you compare to the old box where the knock upgrade was similar money to the GPR package then you have a really good deal here as the new ecu is way more powerful.


Maybe because Tim has MoTec tattooed on his dick :wallbang:

Charming. Can't believe how steady your sisters hand is .....;)

Mark Shead
08-03-2014, 11:33
Those features are all written into the GPR package that Motec sell along with a bunch of other stuff and that retails at 700+vat currently. There are other options on the market from other vendors. The ecu is a blank box until you load a package for your car into it and that carries a licence fee. But its down to the coder and base package what it comes with. But when you compare to the old box where the knock upgrade was similar money to the GPR package then you have a really good deal here as the new ecu is way more powerful.




Charming. Can't believe how steady your sisters hand is .....;)


So is there a coding fee on top of the prices in your list.

Mark

Hic
08-03-2014, 11:37
Or you have to be a coder? Or have a bunch of paid licences for every different function you want to use? Hm....looks COMPLICATED, because IT IS complicated....

Tim Radley
08-03-2014, 11:42
So is there a coding fee on top of the prices in your list.

Mark

No. There is a package price. I believe the cheapest package is 60. Depends on application. You could get an evo 10 running on a 400 package from motec with cam control, dsp knock control, drive by wire, fuel film model and much much more . If you didn't want to use the motec package there are other private ones around.

Tim Radley
08-03-2014, 11:44
Or have a bunch of paid licences for every different function you want to use?

No. You can upgrade the logging ability for extra charge, that is an addition. But as stock they come with more memory than the competition already and also come with the best logging analysis software for free. Horses for courses i guess

wozzy
08-03-2014, 12:51
Seriously when did this become an emtron vs motec thread :confused:

Hic
08-03-2014, 12:52
Yes, if u need it. I don't see the usage for those extra features, as any of novadays ecu has a bunch of features that are never used in the end after all. And in the end, for same ignition, afr and cam angle it will be same power, maybe, just maybe, 1% difference. So wasting money is also a cool feature on this big marketing names, somebody jas to pay the comercials ;)

lawsy
08-03-2014, 15:37
Those features are all written into the GPR package that Motec sell along with a bunch of other stuff and that retails at 700+vat currently. There are other options on the market from other vendors. The ecu is a blank box until you load a package for your car into it and that carries a licence fee. But its down to the coder and base package what it comes with. But when you compare to the old box where the knock upgrade was similar money to the GPR package then you have a really good deal here as the new ecu is way more powerful.




Charming. Can't believe how steady your sisters hand is .....;)

Does it say MOT until you get aroused?

Tim Radley
08-03-2014, 15:38
Does it say MOT until you get aroused?

It's more of a full stop when its cold :lol::lol::lol:

Dragracer187
11-03-2014, 12:06
can this ecu be used on a GTR? and control gearbox and all other stuff on the GTR. Like Syvecs does?

Between how many maps can you switch? Flexfuel support? Does it have rolling anti-lag strategy? Onboard egt? Engine safety strategies?

I dont think you can compare ecu's just by looking at the hard numbers.

GUM EVO
11-03-2014, 12:26
Seriously when did this become an emtron vs motec thread :confused:

Think it's just a comparison and healthy discussion... i personally like motec, syvecs, pectel and this brings another option to the market. They all have something to offer tuner and customer in their own way.... weather that be for logging ability, tuner support, dealer support, auto quick tune functions, inputs/outputs, user interface, cost effectiveness etc etc etc. It's all good discussion and each unit will benefit others for different or the same reasons.

Tim Radley
11-03-2014, 21:33
can this ecu be used on a GTR? and control gearbox and all other stuff on the GTR. Like Syvecs does?

Between how many maps can you switch? Flexfuel support? Does it have rolling anti-lag strategy? Onboard egt? Engine safety strategies?

I dont think you can compare ecu's just by looking at the hard numbers.

The Syvecs and Motec don't control the gearbox. They integrate with the TCM. The car is really complex and the CAN integration is key to making it retain stock functions. Without correct CAN integration with the TCM you won't have a useable car. You could run the engine on many aftermarket ecu's but quite a lot of them aren't capable of working with the other systems such as transmission.

MADRod
26-03-2014, 19:20
Im replacing my SM4 with a KV8. I was totally out of input/outputs on the SM4.
Im adding extra functions like DBW, Dry Sump warning, Diagnostics, Twin Map Sensors to cope with up to 4 bar of Boost, Turbo Speed, 2 extra wheel Speeds & Twin Knock Control. I still have 4 Aux, 4 Analogue & 4 Digital functions wired into the loom to cope with Marks next fantasy ;).
Only downside is my loom is about 3 times as thick as the SM4's & took twice as long to make :mad:.

Ramatzio
08-07-2014, 11:54
Ok, I'll try one!
Just hope there is room for that extra harness box! Like it's that that worries me..

T27...
09-08-2014, 16:42
Will give the plug and play a go for the GT 86,

Realbadman
14-09-2014, 04:35
Is the Emtron out on the X???

Mark Shead
14-09-2014, 08:34
Is the Emtron out on the X???

There will be some new units launched at Sema but I am not sure if a x is in that batch yet.
I will report back when I see them there.

Mark

Hic
11-11-2014, 14:57
I have solution for X with emtron, 5hr job, works like a charm!

jacktran2201
11-11-2014, 15:18
This ecu add on my list next year

Hic
11-11-2014, 15:42
There will be some more options ;)

Tim Radley
12-11-2014, 09:08
There will be some more options ;)

Interesting. Do you have more details?

Hic
12-11-2014, 09:56
Well, I do, but must not tell yet :(

I can say that gt86 plugin is done and working. Same with KV series traction control.

The main thing...I have to shut up :)

Tim Radley
12-11-2014, 12:31
Well, I do, but must not tell yet :(

I can say that gt86 plugin is done and working. Same with KV series traction control.

The main thing...I have to shut up :)

How much does the 86 plug in cost? The Motec one i have is a lot of money for a car of that value so i can't see many enthusiasts wanting it.

Realbadman
12-11-2014, 14:30
I have solution for X with emtron, 5hr job, works like a charm!

More details M8 plz

Hic
12-11-2014, 14:35
Mark will give you all the pricing, as he is the man responsible for UK. I can only share informations with you, that are important or interesting for you all.

Hic
12-11-2014, 14:45
More details M8 plz


It is very easy to make evoX to work with KV series ecu. I have CANbus info needed for diff ecu to work, so it is just a matter of taking time to wire in the ecu. If you want to piggyback the stock ecu, and to leave everything working in order....easy and quick job.
Here is a quick movie, mind that this is a race car of 600+bhp with kelford custom 280+ cams and first start (so there is no iat or ect sensors even attached to kv8) and the wiring is still on test connector. Now it is a proper harness, everything works like a charm. This was a first start, even TB was still on stock ecu, and u will see it works without the maf easilly :)
http://youtu.be/3zqHFvgGqME

Matt TRL
12-11-2014, 14:59
If your piggy backing stock ecu and dont have the MAF conected other systems will get up set. especialy SST

There are Motec and Gems ECU that are available for Evo X Manual transmision. So a plug and play for manual should be possible

The stock ECU Is cabable of runing the EVO X at any BHP you desire as long as a large enough MAF Tube is used, a 3.5 inch maf will support well over 800bhp

Kind regards

Matt

Hic
12-11-2014, 15:02
As I said, there is no more stock ecu, that what you see is FIRST START, still piggyback.
I prefer to keep stock ecu, never know when customer wants to sell the car or something else.
But car works without stock ecu!

Hic
12-11-2014, 15:07
Matt

I don't like the stock ecu, as there are no good options for a real solutions that I want from any car/ecu combinations. This ecutek/ecuflash/maf is great, but not for real race car. Just maybe everyday caffe racer.
I can tell that the car I make with kv works 3 tines better than any stock guru tuner can make it, especially if economy/power/safety/fun factor is the important thing.

Tim Radley
12-11-2014, 15:36
Matt

I don't like the stock ecu, as there are no good options for a real solutions that I want from any car/ecu combinations. This ecutek/ecuflash/maf is great, but not for real race car. Just maybe everyday caffe racer.
I can tell that the car I make with kv works 3 tines better than any stock guru tuner can make it, especially if economy/power/safety/fun factor is the important thing.

Bold statement there! You make it sound like all mappers are equal. I've seen stock ecu mapping that is 10 times better than aftermarket and vice versa. Tool only as good as the user IMO

Hic
12-11-2014, 15:49
I agree with you 100%. What I ment is that sa ecu will give me endless possibilites so I can do whatever I want and imagine, as oem ecu will just give me limitations (i am not saying it won't drive well).

Hic
12-11-2014, 15:50
Not to say that to this day many functions are still in grey area of understanding.

Matt TRL
12-11-2014, 15:51
Matt

I don't like the stock ecu, as there are no good options for a real solutions that I want from any car/ecu combinations. This ecutek/ecuflash/maf is great, but not for real race car. Just maybe everyday caffe racer.
I can tell that the car I make with kv works 3 tines better than any stock guru tuner can make it, especially if economy/power/safety/fun factor is the important thing.

Stock ECU Is fantastic, when mapped propperly they can run big power have Excelent MPG and great drivability.

I tune stand alone too, and when you spend the time on them (a lot more than 5 hours) you can get them running nice as stock.

I use what ever option is suited to that aplication.

In fact i have one customer that does a Lot of Europe Road trips in his 650 bhp evo X. He has stock ecu for those trips, backed up by Zytronics logging equipment, and the use of his Cruise controll
he then has a Motec M800 that runs the same power, returns the same MPG
However the Motec has no Cruise controll...instead it has further Logging functions, so hew uses that for His French Track day events.

The problem is here there is NOT YET any aftermarket ecu that will run a SST Evo X. so we have to stick with Stock.

I did do some work with Syvecs some time back capturing Can date on the Evo X with SST. Not sure where that went. propably not a large enough market for them to move forward with it.

Not Knocking your Efforts with your system, i was just offering information that may help End Uses.

There would be tears if sombody piggy backed one and removed the MAF, only to find out they Totaly screwed up the SST Gearbox

Kind Regards

Matt

Hic
12-11-2014, 15:56
Sst is different kind of animal in the end, same as dsg on vw cars.

But also it is ****ty for big power.

I bet oem ecu is the best thing after invention if fire, BUT only if the factory maps it. We don't know 10% of the functions and where these are linked to other functions in the ecu.
Plus the security, simple oil press drip will kill the engine, as with sa ecu the fuction with cheap oil press sensor will keep it 100%! afe and alive.

Matt TRL
12-11-2014, 15:56
I agree with you 100%. What I ment is that sa ecu will give me endless possibilites so I can do whatever I want and imagine, as oem ecu will just give me limitations (i am not saying it won't drive well).

Only limitations I have ever come across is onboard logging on stock ECU.there is nice enough PC logging though.

Other that that there are no limitations

Kind Regards

Matt

Hic
12-11-2014, 15:58
Aha...so you can make boost control based on steering wheel angle, gear, speed and throttle opening in the same time? Switchable on a button, dependsnt on dry or wet road?

I don't think so.

Matt TRL
12-11-2014, 15:58
Sst is different kind of animal in the end, same as dsg on vw cars.

But also it is ****ty for big power.

I bet oem ecu is the best thing after invention if fire, BUT only if the factory maps it. We don't know 10% of the functions and where these are linked to other functions in the ecu.
Plus the security, simple oil press drip will kill the engine, as with sa ecu the fuction with cheap oil press sensor will keep it 100%! afe and alive.

Yes ofcourse stock has no input for monitoring, logging or setting safty trips

Zytroncs can do that tho :)

Matt

Hic
12-11-2014, 16:00
Matt

That is where it starts to pile up...

Not to mention knock monitoring and retarding by cylinder, etc etc.

Or LIVE tuning :)

Matt TRL
12-11-2014, 16:08
Aha...so you can make boost control based on steering wheel angle, gear, speed and throttle opening in the same time? Switchable on a button, dependsnt on dry or wet road?

I don't think so.

Yes On EVO X

There are Gear related 3 d boost tables

The AYC/ACD can also request a Torque Redution from ECM on stearing angle
and latereral G force. And from 3 modes of driving wet, dry & snow

a Third selonoid can be plumed in to give switchable boost Between
3 port boost selonoid 1 and 3 port boost selonoid 2, both of with have seperate tables.

Its a case of Understanding here, I have spent hundereds if not thousands of hours tuning Stock EVO X ECU and i know them inside out.

I am not knocking after market ECU's as i work a lot with them too. I have a GEMS on my own Evo X RS.
Im all up for development of after market ECU's and thair functions.

Kind Regards

Matt

Matt TRL
12-11-2014, 16:09
Matt

That is where it starts to pile up...

Not to mention knock monitoring and retarding by cylinder, etc etc.

Or LIVE tuning :)

Live tuning No that cant be done, But That is not a Limitation when you know how log log and use a Dyno Properly

Kind Regards

Matt

Hic
12-11-2014, 16:11
Matt

Yet, the evoX still can't use SD tuning. It can but not as we would like to.

There are limitations. Ecu can do everything u said, but the time needed to make everything as we want on a race track (for example) costs 10 tines more then fitting a proper ecu with all the logging and configuration capabilities out of the box.

Matt TRL
12-11-2014, 16:14
Matt


There are limitations. Ecu can do everything u said, but the time needed to make everything as we want on a race track (for example) costs 10 tines more then fitting a proper ecu with all the logging and configuration capabilities out of the box.

Yes I agree, and thats why im up for Aftermarket ecus, in some applications it is far beter,

Kind Regards

Matt

Hic
12-11-2014, 16:14
Not the mention the COST of time.

GUM EVO
12-11-2014, 16:27
I agree standalone has its place without a doubt! The zeitronix gear is handy to expand on the stock ecu for extra logging and failsafe capabilities. Ultimately the stock ecu wont:

multiple injector compatability 4+
individual cylinder fuel control
drive by wire (exception of evo x)
advanced per cylinder knock control
safety features
Multiple cut decisions fuel/ignition/tps
telemetry
and obviously everything is available without xml modifying or waiting for tweaks to be tested on your rom i.d lol*
multiple ignition configurations*
multiple throttle bodies
Multiple fuel pump control

plus loads more

So when you need these things it's a must, each application will dictate which ecu would be most suitable. Evo x ecu is very advance as Matt says.

My biggest worry is as HIC mentioned where only o.e.m know the full ins and outs of the stock ecu. There is only so much we get knowledge of via hacked software and in reality one adjustment affects various other parameters which we sometimes are unaware of or don't understand.

There comes a stage where aftermarket becomes vital but the stock ecu is more than capable in most cases.

Matt TRL
12-11-2014, 16:31
I agree standalone has its place without a doubt! The zeitronix gear is handy to expand on the stock ecu for extra logging and failsafe capabilities. Ultimately the stock ecu wont:

multiple injector compatability 4+
individual cylinder fuel control
drive by wire (exception of evo x)
advanced per cylinder knock control
safety features
Multiple cut decisions fuel/ignition/tps
telemetry
and obviously everything is available without xml modifying or waiting for tweaks to be tested on your rom i.d lol*
multiple ignition configurations*
multiple throttle bodies
plus loads more

So when you need these things it's a must, each application will dictate which ecu would be most suitable. Evo x ecu is very advance as Matt says.

My biggest worry is as HIC mentioned where only o.e.m know the full ins and outs of the stock ecu. There is only so much we get knowledge of via hacked software and in reality one adjustment affects various other parameters which we sometimes are unaware of or don't understand.

There comes a stage where aftermarket becomes vital but the stock ecu is more than capable in most cases.

Evo X has drive by wire
it has individual cylinder fuel controll

Matt

GUM EVO
12-11-2014, 16:35
Evo X has drive by wire
it has individual cylinder fuel controll

Matt

Sorry I edited before your post... I'm talking from earlier evo perspective also, I'm aware evo x's ecu advancements make it more capable in many aspects to earlier models.

GUM EVO
12-11-2014, 16:38
If we could add some evo x features to stock early ecu that would be something!

Matt TRL
12-11-2014, 16:46
Any way Back on track

Are Emtron working on a 100% solution for the Whole Evo X Range Including SST?

Kind Regards

Matt

Hic
12-11-2014, 16:47
Not sst

Matt TRL
12-11-2014, 16:57
Not sst

Damn :frust:

GUM EVO
12-11-2014, 17:11
Looks like ecu manufacturers don't see the market in evo x sst work... probably right from a buisness perspective but bad for customers wanting to mod. Hopefully there is some stock tcu/ecu breakthroughs soon.

Tim Radley
12-11-2014, 17:19
I can get Motec working on SST. Could even ditch the OEM TCM and replace with Motec too. Its been done on GT-R which is more complex. Does anyone want to pay me? Ha doubt that!

SST integration and ACD full control can be done pretty easily. Its just time taken and small market that has prevented it.

Hic
12-11-2014, 17:53
I can get Motec working on SST. Could even ditch the OEM TCM and replace with Motec too. Its been done on GT-R which is more complex. Does anyone want to pay me? Ha doubt that!

SST integration and ACD full control can be done pretty easily. Its just time taken and small market that has prevented it.


Exactly that