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Old 05-02-2017, 09:13   #1
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2017 MLR Sprint Regs - Time for Change!

Guys,

Firstly thanks for all your comments and ideas with regard to the 2017 Sprints and poll. Secondly apologies for this post being a later than it should be, but for reasons I’d rather not go into I’ve had other priorities over the past couple months which have meant I simply couldn’t do everything.

The overwhelming feeling we got from the recent Poll was to:
  • get back to basics
  • make it easy and inexpensive for everyone to take part – and thereby attract new drivers
  • re-energise the sprints to create a renewed enthusiasm to make them must-do events whilst retaining a great competition


Time for Change

Clearly there needs to be some big changes to rejuvenate the Sprints and I've talked to a number of people about the ideas you’ve all come up with on the forum.
The favourite and perhaps the most radical is to adopt a 'no classes' format but for the morning only, leading into a class structure for the afternoon’s competition based on the times set during the morning:
  • No classes at start of the day – just arrive and drive
  • All cars take part in 3 practice runs and the first competitive run (as some drivers approach the practice runs on different boost)
  • These results dictate the classes for the Sprint on the day


Safety

Of course there has to be some rules for safety which would be based on our previous regs;
  • All cars must be MOT's or MSA log-booked
  • All cars must carry a securely mounted fire extinguisher - minimum 1.5kg
  • Cars running slicks go into the top class
  • Cars running slicks must have a full rollcage
  • Cars with fuel cells must have a bulkhead
  • Drivers must wear flame retardant race suit & gloves if their car has internal fuel lines
  • Tyres can't be changed during the event
  • Trailered cars aren't eligible for entry level class
  • Single seaters are welcome but run in their own class


Pros & Cons?

There will always be some pros and cons with any system as there has been with all the MLRSS Class systems over previous years, but the emphasis for this year is making it simple and attractive to take part, and create a starting point to work from in future years;

Pros:
  • no issues with not being competitive against other cars in your class as your time dictates who you’ll compete against, not your car spec
  • easy for everyone to enter with the car they have right now – may just need a fire extinguisher to be installed
  • changing your car spec during the year won’t affect you entering
  • as cheap as possible to take part, eg: no need to buy specific tyres
  • possibly more varied competition over the year dependent on the circuit being used
  • ultimately generates a flexible class structure
  • although aimed at EVOs, this could be used across all marques and add another level of competition between the drivers

Cons:
  • drivers sandbagging – of course this is a possibility if unsporting drivers want to try to get an unfair advantage. However, although we expect this to be visible in the times, we would want and hope that all driver will approach the events in the right spirit, not to mention the peer pressure of their fellow competitors should they try to cheat



2017 Sprint Dates & Venues


At the time of writing I’m actually still waiting for two venues to reply with possible dates, so I can’t publish the dates and circuits yet. However, we’re aiming to have a variety a number of standalone rounds again so drivers can concentrate on driving at one event at a time, rather than trying to focus on a Series and the costs that come with it.

We’re also intending to bring the corner weights so we can weigh the cars and obtain data for the future relating to power and weight.
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Old 05-02-2017, 09:50   #2
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sandbagging? is that like tea bagging? If so you can count me out. Apart from that it sounds like a great idea for the new regs. The practise runs will be less competitive though surely as people try to get placed into a slower class knowing fine well they'll be way quicker during timed runs? Or am I missing something?
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Old 05-02-2017, 10:05   #3
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Looking good Darin. I like the fact that you can mod your car how you like without worrying what class it might put you in. Also no championship means you can duck in and out of rounds without worrying about it impacting on the season
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Old 05-02-2017, 10:05   #4
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Sounds very similar to javelins setup for this year, except they have a few basics classes and mix things about between events as opposed to after practice. Still sounds good to me though. For me there venues are a long way away or dates clash
Hoping for same venues as last year, and dates soon so can plan around them
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Now that's a good idea isn't it...
not a problem drivers sand bagging if you bring the rule of not going faster than the quickest time set in the morning runs in your class .if you do that runs doesn't count.
I think this will keep the morse alive.
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Sounds good but unfortunately many do cheat and will continue or in this case sandbag, the classes will be all over the show after the 1st class run. Hopefully won't cause any issues !
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Sounds good but unfortunately many do cheat and will continue or in this case sandbag, the classes will be all over the show after the 1st class run. Hopefully won't cause any issues !
As above there needs to be a cap on the fastest times from the first thre or it won't work..

But also not letting none Evos to compete against Evos doesn't seem a way to help the series.
That's me out again..

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Now that's a good idea isn't it...
not a problem drivers sand bagging if you bring the rule of not going faster than the quickest time set in the morning runs in your class .if you do that runs doesn't count.
I think this will keep the morse alive.
Confused Paul - If you are not allowed to go faster than the times in the morning whats the point of going out in the afternoon????
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Guys,

Safety

Of course there has to be some rules for safety which would be based on our previous regs;
  • All cars must be MOT's or MSA log-booked
  • All cars must carry a securely mounted fire extinguisher - minimum 1.5kg
  • Cars running slicks go into the top class
  • Cars running slicks must have a full rollcage
  • Cars with fuel cells must have a bulkhead
  • Drivers must wear flame retardant race suit & gloves if their car has internal fuel lines
  • Tyres can't be changed during the event
  • Trailered cars aren't eligible for entry level class
  • Single seaters are welcome but run in their own class
Thats a shame we have to use the same tyres - I like to get a few recce runs on normal tyres then go for the slicks but if thats the rules fine
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As above there needs to be a cap on the fastest times from the first thre or it won't work..

But also not letting none Evos to compete against Evos doesn't seem a way to help the series.
That's me out again..
Does it really matter Paul ?
You are setting times against the clock and still competing against Evo times on the clock
I could understand your statement if it was two cars at a time on track straight race but its not .
You do your time and then compare


Its competition and a day out with your mates having fun

If people are blatantly "sand bagging " then they will have to put up with the ridicule and slagging on here its their choice
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Genuine question.
Is the above specific to the MlrSS or does it apply to 22b?
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There will be a bogie time set once the 1st runs have been completed.
Then if you do pop over this time you will be moved to the correct class.
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