I can't heel and toe, does that mean ... - Page 2

Pete Iles · 22-10-2006, 10:51

Have you got standard pedals? It's much easier with the Ralliart ones.

As has been already said, some people do it differently. My Brother-In-Law who used to race and he uses his heel on the brake and just swings his foot to press the accelerator with his toes.

Pete

Steviegsboots · 22-10-2006, 14:13

Excuse my naivity,

but can anyone explain heel and toe and what it achieves please.

Pete Iles · 22-10-2006, 14:29

This just about covers it Stevie.

http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/how...2/article.html

Pete

WJS EVO · 22-10-2006, 15:26

There was a thread the other day with 2 Imprezas and 2 Evos racing. Can anybody upload that to show the Heel and Toe action, It was very clear.
(I'm not very good with computers so don't know how.)

Turbo_Dan · 22-10-2006, 16:35

It can save you a few secs around a track I suppose and allows for smoother downchanges IF youre in a real hurry. Big deal - is hardly going to change your life. Main thing just helps you change gear faster on downshifts.

Martin1 · 22-10-2006, 16:49

Quote:

Originally posted by WJS EVO
There was a thread the other day with 2 Imprezas and 2 Evos racing. Can anybody upload that to show the Heel and Toe action, It was very clear.
(I'm not very good with computers so don't know how.)

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...5600cf546c.htm

Steviegsboots · 22-10-2006, 16:50

Cheers for that Pete

WJS EVO · 22-10-2006, 16:53

Quote:

Originally posted by Martin1
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...5600cf546c.htm

That's the one thanks Martin.

Martin1 · 22-10-2006, 16:59

Your welcome

Aidy · 22-10-2006, 22:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Turbo_Dan
Main thing just helps you change gear faster on downshifts.

No it doesn't, you obviously have no idea what heal/toe is about. It keeps the car balanced while down shifting.

Turbo_Dan · 23-10-2006, 00:09

So the car cant be balanced if I downshift without hitting the brake whilst blipping the throttle? Sorry to differ with you... but thats ******!

Its handy but not essential. In the greater scheme of things theres probably many skills to learn before you worry about heel and toe. Certainly more useful in the pre-syncromesh days. Rather than downshift, blip then let the clutch out, you can just perform the entire lot in 1 go - not sure exactly why this would make the car so much more stable. Its not exactly taught to learners is it?

chink · 23-10-2006, 08:15

I remember first practicing this on my old 1.1 fiesta back in the day lol!

Just remember for thos trying it for the first time... when breaking with your right foot you can often apply more pressure than you think at first, so be gentle

TCB · 23-10-2006, 08:20

Totaly pointless on the road ! - why even try ??

Save it for a trackday - it's much easier on a curcuit as it's something that only really works when driving at 100%

Aidy · 23-10-2006, 08:22

Quote:

Originally posted by Turbo_Dan

> So the car cant be balanced if I downshift without
> hitting the brake whilst blipping the throttle?

Not really, no. You're doing 100 mph, brake for a few seconds, revs drop, go down a gear and let your foot off the clutch and what happens? The car jerks as the revs rise to synch with your speed/gear. With heel toe you don't get that unbalancing jerking.

> In the greater scheme of things theres probably
> many skills to learn before you worry about heel and toe.

Again, no.

If we're talking technical skills then all drivers should know heel & toe and left foot braking. Then comes the rest.

> Its not exactly taught to learners is it?

If you do performance driving training it will be one of the first things taught to you.

chink · 23-10-2006, 08:22

Its not totally pointless on the road, else where else are you going to practice?... unless you own a lot of land?

I wouldnt fancy giving it my first ever try whilst out on a track anyway lol

22-10-2006, 15:26	#19
WJS EVO Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Warks Car: CUPRA R & DAYTONA 675 Posts: 608	There was a thread the other day with 2 Imprezas and 2 Evos racing. Can anybody upload that to show the Heel and Toe action, It was very clear. (I'm not very good with computers so don't know how.) __________________ SPORT HURTS, GO HARD OR GO HOME!!!!

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23-10-2006, 00:09	#26
Turbo_Dan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,989	So the car cant be balanced if I downshift without hitting the brake whilst blipping the throttle? Sorry to differ with you... but thats ******! Its handy but not essential. In the greater scheme of things theres probably many skills to learn before you worry about heel and toe. Certainly more useful in the pre-syncromesh days. Rather than downshift, blip then let the clutch out, you can just perform the entire lot in 1 go - not sure exactly why this would make the car so much more stable. Its not exactly taught to learners is it? __________________ Justice for Turbo_Dan! Let the MLR's charismatic prince of philosophy speak!

23-10-2006, 08:15	#27
chink Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Staffs Car: Evo 6.5 TME Posts: 191	I remember first practicing this on my old 1.1 fiesta back in the day lol! Just remember for thos trying it for the first time... when breaking with your right foot you can often apply more pressure than you think at first, so be gentle __________________

22-10-2006, 10:51	#16
Pete Iles Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: North West Car: VI GSR, Autronic by Gaz@CPP. Lovely jubbly.....RX8 gone, now Clio 197 Posts: 6,250	Have you got standard pedals? It's much easier with the Ralliart ones. As has been already said, some people do it differently. My Brother-In-Law who used to race and he uses his heel on the brake and just swings his foot to press the accelerator with his toes. Pete

22-10-2006, 14:13	#17
Steviegsboots Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bracknell Car: evo 6, ssqv bov,scorpion 5" de-cat, hks induction, 18" Team Dynamics Pro Race Alloys. Posts: 237	Excuse my naivity, but can anyone explain heel and toe and what it achieves please.

22-10-2006, 14:29	#18
Pete Iles Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: North West Car: VI GSR, Autronic by Gaz@CPP. Lovely jubbly.....RX8 gone, now Clio 197 Posts: 6,250	This just about covers it Stevie. http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/how...2/article.html Pete

22-10-2006, 16:50	#22
Steviegsboots Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bracknell Car: evo 6, ssqv bov,scorpion 5" de-cat, hks induction, 18" Team Dynamics Pro Race Alloys. Posts: 237	Cheers for that Pete

23-10-2006, 08:20	#28
TCB Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Staffordshire Car: 911 GT3 RS,BMW M3 racecar, Robinson R44, RR Sport V8, Nissan double cab Posts: 1,141	Totaly pointless on the road ! - why even try ?? Save it for a trackday - it's much easier on a curcuit as it's something that only really works when driving at 100%

23-10-2006, 08:22	#30
chink Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Staffs Car: Evo 6.5 TME Posts: 191	Its not totally pointless on the road, else where else are you going to practice?... unless you own a lot of land? I wouldnt fancy giving it my first ever try whilst out on a track anyway lol __________________

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