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Lee5
09-11-2010, 00:15
I had a spare few minutes so thought I would see what the average speed was of all the Classes round Rockingham and Teeside.......

Now being Rockingham is meant to be a big power track the average speed is only 5 mph faster than Teeside which is a kart track, work that one out :lol:

I also worked out that for every 1 mph faster/slower on the average speed this gives around +/- 0.8 seconds lap difference...

All the times are from this years Class winners.



Rockingham


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3407/4559794383_189e508f5a_o.jpg

85.7142 mph
137.9437 kmh
38.3177 meters/sec
7542.8570 feet/minute Class D


82.3170 mph
132.4764 kmh
36.7990 meters/sec
7243.9023 feet/minute Class C


81.0810 mph
130.4873 kmh
36.2464 meters/sec
7135.1350 feet/minute Class B


76.0563 mph
122.4008 kmh
34.0002 meters/sec
6692.9576 feet/minute Class A


Teeside

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4814240491_8f4c4c4036_b.jpg


80.0000 mph
128.7475 kmh
35.7632 meters/sec
7039.9998 feet/minute Class D

78.2608 mph
125.9486 kmh
34.9857 meters/sec
6886.9563 feet/minute Class C

78.5454 mph
126.4066 kmh
35.1129 meters/sec
6911.9998 feet/minute Class B


73.2203 mph
117.8367 kmh
32.7324 meters/sec
6443.3897 feet/minute Class A


Lee

D2
09-11-2010, 00:19
What a Geek! :)

Lee5
09-11-2010, 00:25
What a Geek! :)

:crackup:

I was trying to work out BHP differences and how much time is gained/lost by having say a 400 bhp car to a 650 bhp the above is just a by product of what I was doing........

Sorry for being a geek, I will get my coat :mhihi:

Arma
09-11-2010, 07:36
Mmmmmmh, Would this be anything to do with the new Regs? ;)

Sputnik
09-11-2010, 08:38
Nice to see someone( who has the time) letting others know, so that they can make informed decisions.
Surprising that big power is not all it's cracked up to be
Cheers Ian

D2
09-11-2010, 09:25
Surprising that big power is not all it's cracked up to be
Cheers Ian

Power is nothing without control :mhihi:

plip1953
09-11-2010, 09:33
80mph average around Teeside is pretty amazing :eek: Tbh I can't see more than a couple of places where you could get above 80mph round there:confused:

peeler
09-11-2010, 09:48
God you must have nothing better to do :lol:

Only joking,can't believe the average speed at teeside:eek:

Anyway where are these regs :naughty:

kins
09-11-2010, 10:01
Interesting Lee - thanks for taking the time to work it out and share with us :)

markmec
09-11-2010, 10:52
The Class B car at Teeside must have been going for it?? :eek: :mhihi:

:smthumbup

peeler
09-11-2010, 11:16
The Class B car at Teeside must have been going for it?? :eek: :mhihi:

:smthumbup

I would hope it did, what was it running ?? 500+ on race fuel and super stickys :mhihi:

markmec
09-11-2010, 11:21
500+ :lol:

std 9 turbo.. :D

No RF that day.. :D

But yes I had some Ultra softs on road legal 1B list aswell.. :D

You were 500+ and soft rally slicks werent you?? ;)

:lol:

I would hope it did, what was it running ?? 500+ on race fuel and super stickys :mhihi:

peeler
09-11-2010, 11:39
500+ :lol:

std 9 turbo.. :D

No RF that day.. :D

But yes I had some Ultra softs on road legal 1B list aswell.. :D

You were 500+ and soft rally slicks werent you?? ;)

:lol:

:lol:I will happily admit i was running 500/420 on Khumos :smthumbup

No RF must of been a first :mhihi:

Top result what ever.

JimBFC
09-11-2010, 11:41
:lol:I will happily admit i was running 500/420 on Khumos :smthumbup

No RF must of been a first :mhihi:

Top result what ever.

Yes and laggier turbo Steve compared to a 9 tubby so evens itsefl out really :smthumbup

markmec
09-11-2010, 12:03
Easy Jim, just having a laugh with me old mate Peeler!! :lol:

I thought a Green HTA had good spool anyway?? :mhihi:

:smthumbup

Yes and laggier turbo Steve compared to a 9 tubby so evens itsefl out really :smthumbup

peeler
09-11-2010, 12:09
Yes and laggier turbo Steve compared to a 9 tubby so evens itsefl out really :smthumbup

Was trying to catch a big one :smthumbup

Easy Jim, just having a laugh with me old mate Peeler!! :lol:

I thought a Green HTA had good spool anyway?? :mhihi:

:smthumbup

Spool was good mate, but it was still 4200 for full boost:confused: i did post about that as most were saying stock spool, maybe my mapping wasnt the best.

So are you really not playing next year ?? :smthumbup

JimBFC
09-11-2010, 12:25
Reel it in mate lol

JimBFC
09-11-2010, 12:28
Easy Jim, just having a laugh with me old mate Peeler!! :lol:

I thought a Green HTA had good spool anyway?? :mhihi:

:smthumbup


:smthumbup

green hta spool well, not wi steve driving it didnt :lol::rotz::eek:

then again dunt wanna start about my driving there, looked at the slicks I ran and the carcass is all bumpy and about to pop through, must have been running them about 24psi allday I did this at elvington and when we put 30psi in the car went 2 seconds quicker on the 1st lap. :rolleyes: :rotz:...thats my excuse a few months on anyway :lol:

Cam&LadyL
09-11-2010, 12:50
I had a spare few minutes so thought I would see what the average speed was of all the Classes round Rockingham and Teeside.......

Now being Rockingham is meant to be a big power track the average speed is only 5 mph faster than Teeside which is a kart track, work that one out :lol:

I also worked out that for every 1 mph faster/slower on the average speed this gives around +/- 0.8 seconds lap difference...

All the times are from this years Class winners.



Rockingham


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3407/4559794383_189e508f5a_o.jpg

85.7142 mph
137.9437 kmh
38.3177 meters/sec
7542.8570 feet/minute Class D


82.3170 mph
132.4764 kmh
36.7990 meters/sec
7243.9023 feet/minute Class C


81.0810 mph
130.4873 kmh
36.2464 meters/sec
7135.1350 feet/minute Class B


76.0563 mph
122.4008 kmh
34.0002 meters/sec
6692.9576 feet/minute Class A


Teeside

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4814240491_8f4c4c4036_b.jpg


80.0000 mph
128.7475 kmh
35.7632 meters/sec
7039.9998 feet/minute Class D

78.2608 mph
125.9486 kmh
34.9857 meters/sec
6886.9563 feet/minute Class C

78.5454 mph
126.4066 kmh
35.1129 meters/sec
6911.9998 feet/minute Class B


73.2203 mph
117.8367 kmh
32.7324 meters/sec
6443.3897 feet/minute Class A


Lee

Get some bloody work done for a change:crackup:

markmec
09-11-2010, 14:05
I suppose it may have been the way it was Mapped..??

And Yes, I wont be playing out next year!!

:smthumbup

Was trying to catch a big one :smthumbup
Spool was good mate, but it was still 4200 for full boost:confused: i did post about that as most were saying stock spool, maybe my mapping wasnt the best.

So are you really not playing next year ?? :smthumbup

Barry P.
09-11-2010, 17:24
Lee can you explain how you worked these figures out, how did you know the distance the cars had travelled for each lap?

KNOXVILLE
09-11-2010, 17:28
I cant see this being right if i'm honest. Rockingham was all 3rd/4th/5th flat out butt clenching brave stuff but Teesside was 2nd/3rd/4th with some proper slow hairpins

Apologies if i'm wrong!

Lee5
09-11-2010, 17:29
Lee can you explain how you worked these figures out, how did you know the distance the cars had travelled for each lap?

We know how big the tracks are at Rockingham and Teeside, I forgot to do the others when we were there :(

You then work out mileage V lap time, then it will give you an average speed around the track.......

Lee

Lee5
09-11-2010, 17:37
I cant see this being right if i'm honest. Rockingham was all 3rd/4th/5th flat out butt clenching brave stuff but Teesside was 2nd/3rd/4th with some proper slow hairpins

Apologies if i'm wrong!

What was your time round Brand Hatch Indy Gav when you did TA ??



Lee

super rover
09-11-2010, 17:45
I cant see this being right if i'm honest. Rockingham was all 3rd/4th/5th flat out butt clenching brave stuff but Teesside was 2nd/3rd/4th with some proper slow hairpins

Apologies if i'm wrong!

it seems braking distances need to be taken it to acount here as well ,never mind the higher speeds ,obviously you brake allot earlyer when doing say 150 mph for the same corner when you only doing say 70 .

plip1953
09-11-2010, 17:55
Someone must have been using a Vbox round these tracks. That would give very accurate times and distances covered .

Barry P.
09-11-2010, 18:04
I cant see this being right if i'm honest. Rockingham was all 3rd/4th/5th flat out butt clenching brave stuff but Teesside was 2nd/3rd/4th with some proper slow hairpins

Apologies if i'm wrong!

I would have to agree with Gav here, I've done literally hundreds of laps at Rockingham instructing and would agree that 80mph is probably about right for a standing start in an Evo etc. for Rockingham but I would doubt very much that an Evo could average 80mph round Teeside.

KNOXVILLE
09-11-2010, 18:37
What was your time round Brand Hatch Indy Gav when you did TA ??



Lee

Not sure without looking, 52 something at a guess. Why?

Lee5
09-11-2010, 18:51
I would have to agree with Gav here, I've done literally hundreds of laps at Rockingham instructing and would agree that 80mph is probably about right for a standing start in an Evo etc. for Rockingham but I would doubt very much that an Evo could average 80mph round Teeside.

All I have done is worked out the data we have from the sprints and the times we were getting, I couldn't believe it and checked it over a few time, but it still keeps coming back as the same speeds.


Not sure without looking, 52 something at a guess. Why?

Just so I could work out what speed you was doing, as Brands is not a super fast track, but it works out your average speed was 83mph. The touring cars do Brands in 48.s which is 90mph so only 7 MPH faster.just to get some comparison on speed and time that's all.

:D
Lee



Lee

super rover
09-11-2010, 19:52
on a completely differant aspect the front runners on some stages on the MULL RALLY this year averaged a quite STUNNING 76 MPH ,tarmac rally stages are timed at maximum 75 any faster and you fall fowl to the bogey time

we did a rally a few years ago i worked out we averaged 61 mph for the whole event ,but that was a 1300 cc nova quite good with only 115 bhp

plip1953
10-11-2010, 17:40
I asked Kenny1 what averages he reckoned for Rockingham and Teesside (but without telling him what had been posted). He said 80 for Rockingham and under 50 for Teesside. Sounds more like it to me:)

peeler
10-11-2010, 17:59
Yeah it cant be right as for me there was only one little 4th gear straight (little back straight) the rest was mostly 2nd :confused:

Lee get yourself back to school mate :crackup:

super rover
10-11-2010, 18:25
thing is the figures shouldnt lie ,you have distance and a time ,if both are accurate its only basic maths to work it out

youve got to look at the amount of time you think your at a certian speed and how quick you get there

any one know who quick there car 20 to 80 MPH ,and then from 60 to 120 ,thre corners may be slower on some tracks as said but it may not affect the average speed as its gets to the getting quicker

kenny1
10-11-2010, 19:17
Hi Lee. At Teeside there is only one place where you are over 80mph for more than a split second. Therefore it is literally impossible to averge 80mph there. I am not doubting your calculations but I am doubting the information given to you. Please check your distance for Teesside mate.:)

Could you post your the length of th Teesside track please?