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SALES@TSL
10-08-2007, 11:53
After finding a lot of our customers are having problems trying to find wheels to fit their EVO 4 after fitting the bigger Brembo brakes off an evo 5-9.

The problem is that once you fit lower offset wheels to clear the calipers they can stick out of the arches (and catch the bodywork)

We tried a few solutions and eventually found it in the way of the ROTA Force 17 x 8 - clears brembo's and suits the car down to the ground.

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John

The Admiral
10-08-2007, 16:38
Look great John :coolsm:

What size of tyres have you tried them out with btw? How about on lowered suspension? What ET are they?

Sorry - lots of questions :D

Rog

cossie1
10-08-2007, 16:56
Originally posted by The Admiral
Look great John :coolsm:

What size of tyres have you tried them out with btw? How about on lowered suspension? What ET are they?

Sorry - lots of questions :D

Rog

Looking on another website they should be ET35

Would think 215.40.17's would be ok

The Admiral
10-08-2007, 17:22
Hmmm...

Std IV ofset is ET45 or 42 IIRC, and 8in rims might be too wide for 215/40s...

Just wondering :D

Rog

Putty
10-08-2007, 17:29
Do you think these in an 18" would fit?

cossie1
10-08-2007, 17:33
Originally posted by The Admiral
Hmmm...

Std IV ofset is ET45 or 42 IIRC, and 8in rims might be too wide for 215/40s...

Just wondering :D

Rog

From the limited info I can find, these rota's in 17x8" are ET35, if you have 17x7.5" there ET45

The Admiral
10-08-2007, 17:38
Cheers m8 :D

Looking here: http://www.toyo.co.uk/productdetail.php?identity=products&product_id=1 215/40 17 is fine for 7.0-8.5in rims :coolsm:

Rog

gusto
10-08-2007, 18:14
Why not just use evo 5 or 6 wheels with 215/40/17??

The Admiral
10-08-2007, 19:11
I think they stick out a bit more with ET35 or so on 7.5in rims :confused:

Not sure though :D

Rog

todd-w
10-08-2007, 20:16
ive evo vi wheels on mine with 215/40/17 et 38mm,fitted same wheels to a mates evo iv with 60mm lowering springs no rubbing either

The Admiral
10-08-2007, 21:07
That's good to know :D

I do like the look of these Rotas though :coolsm:

Rog ;)

todd-w
10-08-2007, 21:24
Originally posted by The Admiral
That's good to know :D

I do like the look of these Rotas though :coolsm:

Rog ;)


yep :cool: and less spokes ..... to clean :mad:

The Admiral
10-08-2007, 21:33
LOL :crackup:

Don't talk to me about cleaning :rolleyes:

Rog :crackup:

dearsman
10-08-2007, 21:52
Originally posted by The Admiral
LOL :crackup:

Don't talk to me about cleaning :rolleyes:

Rog :crackup:

polisher :p

The Admiral
11-08-2007, 05:54
Originally posted by dearsman
polisher :p Racer :p

Rog :crackup:

Youngtot
11-08-2007, 06:09
a friend of mine has just put evo 6 wheels on his ,not sure what size tyre though that looks fine no issues.

them rotas do look nice too....

John

todd-w
11-08-2007, 08:30
heres a handy tool for the job
http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp

superbike81
11-08-2007, 13:11
Would the Rota P45F's in 18x8 with offset of 35/45/48 fit a IV ok with 215/40/18's?

SALES@TSL
15-08-2007, 08:44
Gosh how did i miss this huge thread !

Yes 215 / 40 / 17 's would be fine :D

superbike81
15-08-2007, 12:29
Sorry to keep asking questions in your for sale thread.....

Is there something that makes these particular Rotas fit an Evo IV with Brembos that would other wheels made by Rota in 17x8 ET35 not fit? Or will any other 17x8 ET35 Rota wheel fit?

cossie1
15-08-2007, 12:31
Originally posted by superbike81
Sorry to keep asking questions in your for sale thread.....

Is there something that makes these particular Rotas fit an Evo IV with Brembos that would other wheels made by Rota in 17x8 ET35 not fit? Or will any other 17x8 ET35 Rota wheel fit?

Any 17x8 ET35 rims with a 114.3 pcd and 67.1mm centre bore will fit.

SALES@TSL
15-08-2007, 12:45
Those dimensions dont have anything to do with the wheels ability to clear big brakes ,

So far the force is the only one we have found to clear e5-9 brembo's

John

cossie1
15-08-2007, 12:46
Originally posted by John@TSL
Those dimensions dont have anything to do with the wheels ability to clear big brakes ,

So far the force is the only one we have found to clear e5-9 brembo's

John

Good point, forgot about the brembo's :blush: :crackup:

superbike81
15-08-2007, 13:34
Ok just trying to get this straight, would this problem be solved by running 18" wheels? Or is it still going to have problems?

SALES@TSL
15-08-2007, 13:46
Thing is as you fit a higher offset 18 inch wheel (eg et 30 - 35) to clear the brembo's you are pushing the tyre towards your arch,

Which on a narrow bodied evo 4 will rub on the arches.

Im yet to find an 18 that clears the brembo's but doesnt rub the evo 4's arches but the hunt is on :D

Its not about offset or wheels size , caliper clearence is defined by an 'x' factor that cannot be accurately measured so we have to test new rims as they come out.

John

superbike81
15-08-2007, 13:49
Alright, I think I understand a little better now. The X factor thing is killing me though, haha. :cry:

superbike81
17-08-2007, 14:54
Ok now I've been reading that if I run spacers that the brake clearing becomes a non issue. So let's say I get a wheel with a slightly more sunk in offset maybe +45 or something, and then run a 10-15mm spacer, will this work? That would REALLY open up my selection of wheels quite a bit.

cossie1
17-08-2007, 15:13
Originally posted by superbike81
Ok now I've been reading that if I run spacers that the brake clearing becomes a non issue. So let's say I get a wheel with a slightly more sunk in offset maybe +45 or something, and then run a 10-15mm spacer, will this work? That would REALLY open up my selection of wheels quite a bit.

I think if you did that, you will have no arch's left.

Can anyone confirm that ??

superbike81
17-08-2007, 15:40
I'm not sure I understand, but I'm still kinda learning the whole offset and spacer thing.

What I'm saying is let's say we have a stock Evo IV fitment offset. I would get a wheel that is the same size, and a 10 or 15mm higher offset, this would sink the wheel in towards the inside. Then I put a 10 or 15mm spacer on the wheel to push it back out. Wouldn't this make it the equivalent of running the same offset as stock fitment just with the wheel further from the brakes?

Sorry if I'm being confusing.

SALES@TSL
17-08-2007, 16:10
It sure will increase the choice of wheels but as you push the wheel out anything over 45mm you will give the car a bit of a carlos fandango stance with the wheels sticking out of the arches.

And the further they stick out the more likely they are to catch the arch,

Its the achillies heel of the evo 4 with brembo's get a big brake kit with a slimmer caliper or get some rota forces off me :D

superbike81
17-08-2007, 16:12
Well believe me, I'd be buying them off you if it wasn't for the horrid exchange rate. The US dollar is weak everywhere, and buying them in GBP I'd be paying nearly double what I would from the US, not to mention international shipping. :eek:

Maybe I'm not understanding this whole offset thing correctly. :confused:

Lets say we've got a perfectly fitting Evo IV wheel like the 17x8 ET35 Rota you are selling, and then we have a 17x7.5 ET38. The 7.5 would naturally sit deeper in the well because of the smaller size and higher offset.

If so, then I could run a spacer to push it back out to the fender, which would not compromise clearance and it would give me more brake clearance correct?

Is this line of thinking wrong?

The Admiral
17-08-2007, 17:59
Yip - basically right, although std EVO 4 ofset it ET45 (IIRC), so ET35 is going to sit out by 10mm already...

Rog :coolsm:

cossie1
17-08-2007, 19:37
Originally posted by The Admiral
Yip - basically right, although std EVO 4 ofset it ET45 (IIRC), so ET35 is going to sit out by 10mm already...

Rog :coolsm:

So then he would need an ET55 with a 10mm spacer to get it back to an ET45.

But by fitting an ET55 (assuming you can get 1) would mean it would not clear brembo's ?

That right ?

The Admiral
17-08-2007, 19:49
Probably not - the ET (whether wheel or wheel + spacers) is the main issue for clearence on the wide Brembos, plus spoke design... It's whether the inside of the spokes hit the caliper that matters... ET55 would mean the spokes sittin 10mm closer to the caliper than ET45...

For APs, Alcons etc, which are narrower, ET is less of an issue, but internal wheel diameter & clearence can be a problem...

Rog :cool:

superbike81
18-08-2007, 10:35
Is it going to be possible to run 225/40/17's on these Rota wheels in your picture without rubbing issues? Or will I have to roll the fenders?

I'm just not sure how confident I am running a 215 on an 8" wheel. It seems a little narrow. What would be the negatives of running this size on an 8" wheel? Any?

The Admiral
18-08-2007, 11:15
Originally posted by The Admiral
Cheers m8 :D

Looking here: http://www.toyo.co.uk/productdetail.php?identity=products&product_id=1 215/40 17 is fine for 7.0-8.5in rims :coolsm:

Rog
I think your tyre choice with 225/40 17 will be pretty limited?

Main negative of running a narrower tyre is lack of rim protection if you clip a kerb :cry:

Rog :cool:

morgan69
20-08-2007, 18:35
i got some rays engineering wheels on mine they are 8 inch 17s with 225 tyres and have no rubbing issues

Evolution
07-12-2007, 21:06
Originally posted by The Admiral
I think your tyre choice with 225/40 17 will be pretty limited?




It seems to be very limited also in 215/40-17
Could not find any R tyre in this dimensions

coolamasta
25-02-2008, 11:53
i got some rays engineering wheels on mine they are 8 inch 17s with 225 tyres and have no rubbing issues

Is your car on standard suspension or lowered on coilovers or anything?

DuncanIV
25-02-2008, 16:34
It sure will increase the choice of wheels but as you push the wheel out anything over 45mm you will give the car a bit of a carlos fandango stance with the wheels sticking out of the arches.


Too true,i cant stand the look of the IV with even the standard evo6 wheels on,the wheels look too far pushed out.
We need a decent big brake kit that fits under the standard IV wheels at a reasonable price !:cry:

Evolution
25-02-2008, 19:28
Too true,i cant stand the look of the IV with even the standard evo6 wheels on,the wheels look too far pushed out.
We need a decent big brake kit that fits under the standard IV wheels at a reasonable price !:cry:


AP 5570 (6 pot 330 mm) fits perfectly under Rota torque 17x7,5, et45! :D

The Admiral
25-02-2008, 20:20
Yip - AP330 4-pots are fine under my 17 x 7 and my 17 x 7.5in wheels :D

Rog ;)

millsyevo4
28-02-2008, 16:29
hi mate, i have just bought some rota sub zeros in 17" for my evo 4, do u know if they will clear the brembos????

Evolution
28-02-2008, 18:44
hi mate, i have just bought some rota sub zeros in 17" for my evo 4, do u know if they will clear the brembos????

What is the et? (should be stamped inside the wheel)