MLR Southern Rolling Road Day at WRC Technologies - Saturday 9th Dec

[DaveG]

The MLR is pleased to announce the Southern MLR Rolling Road Day at WRC Technologies, Silverstone on Saturday 9th December.

Details are as follows:

* Maximum 30 cars
* £35 for MLR members / £45 for non members (priority to members)
* Starts at 9am
* Burger van onsite all day
* All graphs and car specs will be added to MLR Modified
* Magazine coverage (with luck!)

Places are on a first come, first served basis so please book to confirm your place via the MLR Shop (http://www.lancerregister.com/store_category.php?id=13) or by calling us on 0845 12 LANCER (526237). If we have any places available on the day we'll deal with them then.

Booked Runners
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1. nwwil, Evo 3 track car, GT30, GEMS
2. GINGA, EVO 8 MR FQ320
3. 3600magic, Evo 6 GSR, Ralliart Sports ECU
4. zebbedi, Evo 6 GSR, Apexi Power FC
5. nianlala, Evo 4 GSR
6.
7. Marky, Evo 8 FQ300, Ecutek
8. stevefj, EVO 7 GSR
9. ChrisT, Evo 8 FQ300
10.
11. stevenb, EVO 8 MR FQ340
12. EVEE, EVO 6 TME
13. daverushy, EVO 6 GSR
14. Croz, Evo 7, Stroker
15. Vman69, Evo 6
16. tic tac6, Evo 6
17. T27, Evo 6, GT30, Autronic
18. kev hemsley, Evo 6, stroker and big turbo
19. SRMOTORS, Evo 6 GSR
20. LILL 8, Evo 8 FQ300
21. simo on the move, Evo 9
22. charlie-boy, Evo 8
23. Stevieg, Evo 6
24. bruce lee, Evo 6
25.
26. thetyrant, Evo 2, Stroker
27. PETE O, Evo 8 FQ300
28. Sven, Evo ?
29. GICEW Evo V - RC Stroker with RC 700 Turbo kit
30. Nickmac Evo 8 - RC Stroker with RC 700 Turbo kit

[nwwil]

ok dave.

[GINGA]

Me please :D

[stu.h]

Is it strictly for Mitsi's or can anyone come and play?

:D

[DaveG]

Originally posted by stu.h
Is it strictly for Mitsi's or can anyone come and play?

:D

Non-members are welcome, but we have to give preference to members. If there are any spaces left nearer the time, you're welcome to come and run.

[stu.h]

OK, thanks for the quick reply, email me closer to the time if there might be a space.

:coolsm:

[Rich@RGMotorsport]

shaun robinson & dave rushy please dave

[shaun robinson]

can you put "brad tme " down too please :)

also i have booked in shop :)

[wheelyking]

Count me in Dave, missed the Northern doo.

;)

AL

[3600magic]

Me please, just payed.
cheers :D

[DaveG]

Originally posted by Rich@RGMotorsport
shaun robinson & dave rushy please dave

Rich, you need to book the places via the shop to confirm as a runner.

[DaveG]

Originally posted by shaun robinson
can you put "brad tme " down too please :)

also i have booked in shop :)

Shaun, there's no record of an order. Are you sure you bought a place?

[DaveG]

Originally posted by wheelyking
Count me in Dave, missed the Northern doo.

;)

AL

Al, you need to buy a place in the shop to become a confirmed runner :).

Sorry guys, it's how we need to run events from now on otherwise some people always pull out at the last minute and it costs the club :(.

[3600magic]

Hi Dave G, any chance of having fueling and boost on the same graph? cheers rich.

[zebbedi]

Ordered my place! :)

[DaveG]

Originally posted by 3600magic
Hi Dave G, any chance of having fueling and boost on the same graph? cheers rich.

I'm not sure how easy or possible that is on a day like this, but remind me when we're there and I'll ask WRC.

[EvoIV Nian]

Put me down too please - I have booked in the shop.

[3600magic]

Cheers Dave. :)

[DaveG]

Originally posted by nianlala
Put me down too please - I have booked in the shop.

All done, cheers :smthumbup

[zebbedi]

Just out of interest Dave, is the list your doing the running order, or is that decided on the day?

[DaveG]

We decide the running order on the day. What we do is group the cars together based on wheelbase and then we run the cars in order in each group depending on the order everyone turns up and registers on the day.

Basically, if you want to run earlier in the day, get there and get registered asap.

[thetyrant]

Put me down Dave :) ive got to make a trip south early december so will try and tie it in with this if i can :D

Cheers
Ian

[DaveG]

Originally posted by thetyrant
Put me down Dave :) ive got to make a trip south early december so will try and tie it in with this if i can :D

Cheers
Ian

Ian, you need to book a place via the shop please. Thanks!

[stevefj]

Hi Dave,

Booked/paid in the shop, please add me to the list.

Cheers,

[shaun robinson]

Originally posted by DaveG
Shaun, there's no record of an order. Are you sure you bought a place?

yeah sorry just tried again was struggling imcomputer biff and think my pop up block didnt help :rolleyes:
all sorted now :D

[stevenb]

& me dave, :cool:

[EVEE]

All paid , count me in

[DaveG]

Cheers all. List of runners updated above.

[Vman69]

Is any one meeting at any of the services on the way there if so wat services and wat times thanks VMAN

[Brad Sherwood]

All paid :D

[shaun robinson]

Originally posted by Vman69
Is any one meeting at any of the services on the way there if so wat services and wat times thanks VMAN

few of us boys from kent will prob be heading through that way but no times yet to far off for us to think about yet, will prob organise the week before hand :)

[Rich@RGMotorsport]

dont go with shaun vin, he drives like a n0b :crackup:

its gonna be an RG Motorsport convoy the way this is going :crackup:

[tic tac6]

Me to please all paid up :D

[Dark Blue Mark]

I shall have some of this please :)

MB

[shaun robinson]

Originally posted by Rich@RGMotorsport
dont go with shaun vin, he drives like a n0b :crackup:

its gonna be an RG Motorsport convoy the way this is going :crackup:

shut it just because you made my car too fast and you could never keep up :p

[Vman69]

hi shaun and rich well it looks like we will have some quick RG MOTORSPORT fettled evos going then sounds like its going to be a lot of fun mine is only stage 2 at the mo shaun but will be having more mods done buy top man RICH.

[SRMOTORS]

put me down please dave

[Northy 8]

Originally posted by SRMOTORS
put me down please dave
you having another go, more money than sense, i here you have 10p to your name :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

[vikingboy]

put me down too, thx

[DaveG]

Guys, as above, please book a place via the MLR Shop. Cheers :)

[T27...]

Would like a spot for this please

Kev

[DaveG]

Kev, got your order and added you to the runners list. See you there

[wheelyking]

Sorry guys, gonna have to skip on this 1, Going to Elvington instead.

;)

Al

[DaveG]

Al, you weren't booked in because I didn't receive an order from you. Have fun at Elvington :).

This is just a note to anyone else who just put there name down. If you haven't booked and paid for a place you are not on the list of runners. The confirmed list of runners is constantly updated on the first post in this thread. There are currently just 13 places left.

[SRMOTORS]

me paid managed 2 scrap money come on paul get your name down

[stu.h]

as said, I'm #1 reserve

:D

let me know of any spaces mate

;)

[mechell]

Spaces still available – buy your membership and just go to the shop!! (http://lancerregister.com/store_category.php?id=13) ;)

[steven peaple]

dave just a quicky, im tagging a long with zebbedi and just wondered if its free to watch?
ta steve :)

[mechell]

Sorry - not Dave but can answer your question ;)

Yep - free to watch!! Come along :D

[steven peaple]

thank you! ;)
ta steve

[charlie-boy]

ooooooooooooo im very tempted :D

[DaveG]

Originally posted by charlie-boy
ooooooooooooo im very tempted :D
Book a place in the shop then :D

[charlie-boy]

only if you promise my 8 will make over 300atws or ill throw all my toys out of my pram and sulk :D :p

[charlie-boy]

Ok lads count me in.... ill pay tomorrow night when im back home :D :D cheers Trev

[Gingerpimp]

Me please :D (damn, hope car has engine by then, if not it's flintstones on the rollers for danny :crackup: )

thanks ;)
danny.

[mechell]

Hi guys - as before, to book a place you need to go to the shop

CLICKY (http://lancerregister.com/store_category.php?id=13) :D

[Stevieg]

Hi Mechell / Dave,

Just booked a place via the MLR shop :D

Cheers,

Steve

[charlie-boy]

All paid..... See you there guys :D

[Stevieg]

Please can some one confirm my place and that my payment has gone through?

Cheers,


Steve

[DaveG]

I've updated the list of confirmed runners. charlie-boy and Stevieg added.

The list of confirmed runners is on the first post of this thread.

Anyone who has said they want to run, but not confirmed their place will need to do so before the day fills up.

[DaveG]

Two 560BHP+ monsters from RC Developments now added to MLR Modified under jonny f adrine and Bob Moore.

[EvoIV Nian]

I know its a bit early as this is still two weeks away but anyone going up by convoy from London?

[bruce lee]

Hi all...... ;)
Just payed in the shop,sounds a good day out and lets hope the figures are good too.
C u all there......... :mitsi:

[Nixon]

Count me in, just paid up in the shop.

[thetyrant]

All paid in the shop :)...hoping my boost controller behaves itself this time!

Please can i run either late morning or very early afternoon as its a fair old hike for me!... also afterwards i then have to get down to surrey... then back upto to lincoln on saturday night :eek:

Cheers
Ian

[DaveG]

List of runners updated at the start of this thread. Just 2 places left now if you're thinking of coming.

[RC Developments]

Please can we book the last two places.

Car 1:

GICEW Evo V - RC Stroker with RC 700 Turbo kit. Possibly on race fuel.

Car 2:

Nickmac Evo 8 - RC Stroker with RC 700 Turbo Kit. Possibly on race fuel.

[DaveG]

Day now full :). If anyone else wants to, you're welcome to come along on the day and if any of the runners don't show we'll try and slot you in.

[daverushy]

so who's going up from kent then?

[kev hemsley]

Originally posted by daverushy
so who's going up from kent then?

ME :coolsm:

[daverushy]

are you up for meeting up on the way then

[stevefj]

anyone from the oxford area going to this?

[shaun robinson]

Originally posted by daverushy
so who's going up from kent then?
me too im gillingham way, where are you dave, think kev is maidstone way :)

[kev hemsley]

Dave sorry but i gotta detour on way up .


shaun im from a nice part of kent not bl00dy maidstone :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: same as croz

kev

[Dark Evo]

Originally posted by stevefj
anyone from the oxford area going to this?

I might pop down for a nosey. Will have to charge the battery and dust of the cobwebbs first :blush:

[stevefj]

Hi Dark Evo,

PM me if you want to meet up/mini convoy etc

Anyone else coming from Oxford direction want to do likewise?

Cheers,

[DaveG]

There's one spare place available after a cancellation. Please let me know if you want it, first come first served.

[ChrisT]

me please.

[DaveG]

Chris, there's a place left for sale in the shop for the first person who wants it.

http://www.lancerregister.com/store_category.php?id=13

[ChrisT]

just paid,thanks

[DaveG]

Day now full again :)

[Vman69]

hi shaun im leaving ashford about 530am do u fancy meeting at thurrock services at 6:30 am mate cheers vinny.

[EvoIV Nian]

What time is this kicking off on Saturday ?

[DaveG]

9am. Sooner you get there, the earlier you'll be allocated a running order position.

[shaun robinson]

Originally posted by kev hemsley
Dave sorry but i gotta detour on way up .


shaun im from a nice part of kent not bl00dy maidstone :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: same as croz

kev :o sorry m8 thought you werefor some reason ;)

vman 69 that sounds good to me mate 6.30 thurrock :D

daverushy do you want to meet us there too or can meet more local before hand if you live in medway area :)

[daverushy]

yeah should be able to meet up if i get out of bed in time!!
i will be coming up m20

[shaun robinson]

Originally posted by daverushy
yeah should be able to meet up if i get out of bed in time!!
i will be coming up m20

cool and gang, hope your tweaking with rich went well tonight ;)

[daverushy]

all sorted ;) need better wipers so i can see where i'm going though:eek:

[Rich@RGMotorsport]

Originally posted by daverushy
all sorted ;) need better wipers so i can see where i'm going though:eek:

and a sunstrip that doesnt peel itself off whilst mapping :crackup:

[Staffi]

Anyone else drops out please ME ME ME....PM ME :D :D

[mechell]

Originally posted by daverushy
all sorted ;) need better wipers so i can see where i'm going though:eek:

Get some Piaa ones - check out the group buy section!! ;)

Staffi - will be good to see you if you make it down..

[Vman69]

more mods being done in the morning cant wait to c wat it makes on the rollers rich any one want to meet on the motorway on the way there on saturday ile be going m20 m25 any one near these motorways VINNY.

[EvoIV Nian]

Anyone have the post code for wrc-tech? Their website is down and I need to figure out how to get there.

[Vman69]

hi mate the addy is

SILVERSTONE CIRCUIT
NORTHAMPTONSHIRE
NN12 8TN

ok then mate is that ok VINNY

[Staffi]

Originally posted by mechell
Get some Piaa ones - check out the group buy section!! ;)

Staffi - will be good to see you if you make it down..


Hi Mechell, yes i`ll be there, have got someone doing part of my job for me Saturday, so should be there 9.30-10ish ;) :D

[EvoIV Nian]

Thanks for that. Look like straight up the M1 for me, nice and easy.

[Staffi]

Originally posted by nianlala
Thanks for that. Look like straight up the M1 for me, nice and easy.

It is yes from your way, or the M40... ;)

[Brad Sherwood]

Originally posted by shaun robinson
:o sorry m8 thought you werefor some reason ;)

vman 69 that sounds good to me mate 6.30 thurrock :D

daverushy do you want to meet us there too or can meet more local before hand if you live in medway area :)

So what time are you thinking of leaving Medway then.. so I can get a head start. :D

[shaun robinson]

Originally posted by Brad Sherwood
So what time are you thinking of leaving Medway then.. so I can get a head start. :D
prob about 6.16 mate too meet at thurrock services can meet you at esso garage on a2 at that time if you like :)

[Brad Sherwood]

Originally posted by shaun robinson
prob about 6.16 mate too meet at thurrock services can meet you at esso garage on a2 at that time if you like :)

How early.. :eek:

That will be great mate, see you there.. but be early and arrive at 6.15am :crackup:

[Anas_Abbo]

is it ok to pop along to this, i dont need to run i havnt done anything to the car yet :D

[Staffi]

Originally posted by Anas_Abbo
is it ok to pop along to this, i dont need to run i havnt done anything to the car yet :D

Of cousre you can..... :D :D

[Mike Marden]

Shaun, VMAN & Brad Sherwood, I'll meet you gents at Thurrock services at 6.30

Mike

[EvoIV Nian]

A couple of us are meeting at the car wash at staples corner under the arch before the turn to get on to the M1. If anyone is interested we'll see you there at 8am.

[shaun robinson]

sorry to say people cant make this now due to car probs :( hope you all have good day and make loadsa ponys :D

[Brad Sherwood]

Originally posted by shaun robinson
sorry to say people cant make this now due to car probs :( hope you all have good day and make loadsa ponys :D

Whats wrong with the car mate? :eek:

[shaun robinson]

Originally posted by Brad Sherwood
Whats wrong with the car mate? :eek:

nothing terminal mate,just bad timing two days before rr and sprint :rolleyes: :D ;)

[Brad Sherwood]

Originally posted by shaun robinson
nothing terminal mate,just bad timing two days before rr and sprint :rolleyes: :D ;)

Hope your ok and nothing too bad. ;)

See you soon mate. :)

[kev hemsley]

gutted for you mate still theres always next time

kev

[shaun robinson]

Originally posted by kev hemsley
gutted for you mate still theres always next time

kev
yea im bit gutted too but ill live, and already asked to be put on next one :)


cheers brad and see you at crimbo pub meet if your about :D

[Brad Sherwood]

Originally posted by shaun robinson
yea im bit gutted too but ill live, and already asked to be put on next one :)


cheers brad and see you at crimbo pub meet if your about :D

I will be there mate. :) :cool:

[Staffi]

So is there a place free now??

What`s the latest i could arrive Dave please??

[DaveG]

Yes, there is. We'll run the 6's together starting in the morning. I guess lunch time is going to be the latest you can run. Let me know if you want the place?

[Staffi]

PM Dave.................... :D

[thetyrant]

Hoping to be there late morning/mid day ...then do a run soonish so if poss be away by 2ish so i can get to Z's at reasonable time... does this sound possible ?

Also im presuming its easy to find and in through main entrance ?.... ive only been to Silverstone once to the MLR sprint and we used a side entrance if i remember correctly ?

Cheers
Ian

[DaveG]

Ian, that'll be fine. We just group the cars together based on wheelbase where possible.

Some directions below. Basically, come off the A43 to Silverstone circuit. Drive through the main entrance of Silverstone and then right at the first roundabout you come to. WRC are down this road on the left.

[DaveG]

For anyone who hasn't seen it, please follow Allan's instructions below:

1] Form up on access road--Do not enter our Courtyard please.
2] Check your fluids before you leave and bring some oil with you.
3] In order to speed up the day, please check your own tyre pressures. Guages avail.
4] Food van will be on site from 08-15 ready to serve from around 08-45. Please support them for coming out so early on a Sat. The breakfast baguettes are awesome !

[Brad Sherwood]

Sorry guys, won't be able to make this due to work. :mad: :mad:

Hope to try and make the next one. :cool:

[DaveG]

Sorry to hear that Brad. Maybe see you at the next one.

If anyone wants Brad's place, please let me know asap.

[Nixon]

Can't make it neither I'm afraid.

Over worked and under paid, something like that.

[DaveG]

There are 3 free spaces now if anyone else wants to run.

[Evo 9 FQ-360]

Originally posted by DaveG
There are 3 free spaces now if anyone else wants to run.

Not run my car in yet but trying hard only done 800 miles. Be good to come along to see what its all about new to all this. Dont think I should abuse the engine just yet. Where abouts in Silverstone is it?

See you in the morning if thats ok.

Jason

[daverushy]

so who's meeting at thurruck now as some can't make it?

[DaveG]

Originally posted by Evo 9 FQ-360
Not run my car in yet but trying hard only done 800 miles. Be good to come along to see what its all about new to all this. Dont think I should abuse the engine just yet. Where abouts in Silverstone is it?

See you in the morning if thats ok.

Jason

Jason, come on down if you can. Take a look towards the bottom of the previous thread for directions.

[stevefj]

Just like to say a big thank you to Dave & Darin for organising a fun if long and cold (but ultimately fruitless for me - catch up later in the week Darin, just drop me a pm/email) day at WRC-Tech.

Thanks also to Allan and Chris at WRC for the facilities and not forgetting the catering peeps who helped stave off the cold with gallons of tea and lashings of bacon/egg butties.

Nice to put some more faces to names i.e. Chris, Ashley, StevieG (and wife - sorry I didn't get your name), Steve (Bowen), Bruce Lee and top group buy organiser Mechell.

Cheers one and all,

[Vman69]

thanks every1 at wrc technologies cheers to RICH at RG MOTORSPORT 4 setting up the car perfect man. Cant believe it made 404 bhp at the flywheel and 388 lb-ft of tourqe and 307.3 at the wheels and its only stage3. TOP TUNER well recomened to every1 top man RICH.

[Stevieg]

I would like to also thank Darin and Chell for arranging this day - I was impressed with WRCs setup and the days organisation, they even talking me through what they were doing while i was sat in the passanger seat of my car during my rolling road run.

It was good to meet and chat to some of you - its nice to meet up with like minded people that share the same passion for these cars :)

stevefj - It was nice to meet and chat to you too :) Sorry i couldn’t stay for your run - how did it go?

Chell - Beth said it was really nice to meet you and to let us know if you need any tickets ;)

I was very chuffed with my results as well - 400bhp ATF (304 bhp ATW) and 380 lb-ft of torque with no flat spots –just from bolt-ons!

Definitely very happy with Si Norris's mapping! :D

[T27...]

Well done to all :) very good day ( all be it bloody cold ) A big thanks to Mark Shead M.A.D. for sorting my turbo set up. Now the AMS GT30 is the right spec, 444ATW on 2ltrs is superb. The car is awesome on the road :cool: ...........roll on Time Attack


Kev

[RichW]

Some very good results coming in, yours sounds spot on Kev, i bet she spools up well too, cant wait to see the graphs on MLR modified! :cool:


I would have been there but had to work, ahh well :)

[3600magic]

Great day, thanks to everyone who did the planning and the guys at wrc who obviously knew exactly what they were doing.
I think i will be going back soon. :D
Stevieg let me know when spec-r get a matching set of rad brackets, nice to meet you.
great day, cheers rich.

[Mike Marden]

Was good to meet loads of people today and put names to faces, some superb results as well, suffered a few problems on the day, but will be sorted by today, then back to WRC for a proper power run with no issues!

[GavEvo6]

Was a great day with some awsome cars :eek:

Now i really need some more power :p

Come on peeps where are the picks???

[daverushy]

great day everyone,nice to meet you all and thanks to everyone who made the day happen.

[ChrisT]

Thanks to all involved who made the day possible, it ran very smoothly with little in the way of problems and the burger bar was most definetely a welcome addition. Bit on the cold side mind but thats the great british winter for you. The car did good and produced more or less what it did last time, so can't complain!

It was nice to chat with both Steve's and other like minded Evo nuts on the day, although a big shame about your run stevefj - Shouldn't of happened :(.

Chris & Ash.

[thetyrant]

Great day :D as above big thanks to the WRC and MLR teams for making it happen :).... i had trouble with boost control again so will be investigating further soon to try and pinpoint the problem...still my old girl made 271hp atw despite a crazy fluctuating boost curve... so around 357hp atf but more importantly to me ( edited to note i was looking at wrong part of graph if you read previous post :blush: ) 416ftlbs at the fly :D....still plenty more to come ;)

Graphs to follow once my scanner starts to play ball!

Just got back after the 700mile+ weekend trip i made to include this day!....im knackered :eek:

Cheers
Ian

[DaveG]

Glad everyone had a good day. List of results can be found here, http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=133918

[thetyrant]

My graphs.... First one Power & Torque ATW...Boost graph to follow which shows why im a little down on power :(

[thetyrant]

And now Power and Boost...note how the boost (dotted line) hits its target of 1.65bar target then dips back down to 1.4 and slowy creeps back up.... not sure what the reason is yet but it doesnt do it on the road.. well a little maybe but not as noticable...so guess the rollers are making it more obvious but its no doubt affecting the power reading :(.....will be sorted before it goes back on the rollers and will map for a bit more boost as well next time :D

[thetyrant]

Something else ive just noticed.... the Rev scale is not right ?.... car hits limiter at 7200 which im sure we did on the rollers but looks more like 6200 on graph even though spool up end looks about right...odd :confused:

CHeers
Ian

[Russs]

Peak power looks too early too.

[RC Developments]

Big thanks to Darin and co. for making the day happen again !
Thanks to Kev for your kind words, but you deserve those results.
Would like to give Nick G. (Nick-mac) and Neil W. (Glicew) a big thankyou for showing with their cars with the anticipation of similar figures to Kev H.
Unfortunately it seemed the battle we had to get the power to the dyno on Kev's white evo6 repeated on us with Nick's evo 8 mr and as such we didn't even see the point in running Neils evo 5.
Thetyrant...... Your rpm scaling problem is part of the complete inaccuracy caused by calibration of engine rpm to dyno roller speed.
It was for this reason that Kev's car ran twice (amongst wheel spin issues) We found that his car data-logged to 8000rpm but the dyno gave initial results to 6500rpm. We then wired into a tacho signal for the dyno reference and we got the graph shown on the results thread. Unfortunately using the tacho signal offers the dyno a reference which will mask wheel spin on the graph, as it is no longer plotting a roller speed which has an inconsistant rate of acceleration during spin..... Shown as swirly pigtails on early graphs of T27 and Kev's and even the one after Kev at less than 300atw.
An inaccurate tacho reference will also result in a large change in torque calculation as it is critical to the rpm it was achieved.
Not sure if it may change the hp atw as a peak, but will certainly shrink your graph into a smaller power band.
Most cars would have been calibrated at 3500 rpm to the roller speed of the dyno. At that speed i am sure it will be correct, but as rpm increases it (somehow) manages to stray on some of the cars.
At RACING LINE one month ago ALL cars rpm were referenced of the injector pulse, and as such produced comparable power bands to data logs we took on Bob's , John's and Carl's.
We will be contacting Racing Line in the morning to request they run the three cars we took to WRC tech.
Thanks
Clive

[Vman69]

well done mike marden shame about the exhaust bolts coming loose man well it will be sorted by monday evening let me no wen your poping back down to wrc,s if im not working ile come down with u mate.

[Croz]

A big thanks to Dave and Darin (and everyone else involved in the organisation).

Nice to meet everyone - was a good day, a bit cold but at least it wasn't raining :-)

Croz

[Evo 9 FQ-360]

Nice to put a few names to faces and there was me thinking my car was quick, some great cars and lots of good ideas. Hope to see you all again soon.

Jason

[pblamire]

Reading from wheel speed will mean reduced power if wheel spin is encountered.

The rollers are looking at wheel torque and roller speed, if speed is reduced but the torque remains roughly the same the RR will calculate the power using the lower speed measured at rollers.

Example, pretty close to Kev's:

Engine revs to 8000, due to slip RR shows 6500rpm, power measured as 470hp at the wheels, at 6000rpm. If true peak power was at 7350rpm, the amount would have been more like 470/6000*7350 = 576hp.

All roller based dynos suffer the same, and I certainly prefer an engine based RPM measurement.


Originally posted by RC Developments
Big thanks to Darin and co. for making the day happen again !
Thanks to Kev for your kind words, but you deserve those results.
Would like to give Nick G. (Nick-mac) and Neil W. (Glicew) a big thankyou for showing with their cars with the anticipation of similar figures to Kev H.
Unfortunately it seemed the battle we had to get the power to the dyno on Kev's white evo6 repeated on us with Nick's evo 8 mr and as such we didn't even see the point in running Neils evo 5.
Thetyrant...... Your rpm scaling problem is part of the complete inaccuracy caused by calibration of engine rpm to dyno roller speed.
It was for this reason that Kev's car ran twice (amongst wheel spin issues) We found that his car data-logged to 8000rpm but the dyno gave initial results to 6500rpm. We then wired into a tacho signal for the dyno reference and we got the graph shown on the results thread. Unfortunately using the tacho signal offers the dyno a reference which will mask wheel spin on the graph, as it is no longer plotting a roller speed which has an inconsistant rate of acceleration during spin..... Shown as swirly pigtails on early graphs of T27 and Kev's and even the one after Kev at less than 300atw.
An inaccurate tacho reference will also result in a large change in torque calculation as it is critical to the rpm it was achieved.
Not sure if it may change the hp atw as a peak, but will certainly shrink your graph into a smaller power band.
Most cars would have been calibrated at 3500 rpm to the roller speed of the dyno. At that speed i am sure it will be correct, but as rpm increases it (somehow) manages to stray on some of the cars.
At RACING LINE one month ago ALL cars rpm were referenced of the injector pulse, and as such produced comparable power bands to data logs we took on Bob's , John's and Carl's.
We will be contacting Racing Line in the morning to request they run the three cars we took to WRC tech.
Thanks
Clive

[uktrucks]

The "problem" initially encountered on the big BHP cars was not wheelspin per se' it was roller shunt as the wheelbase setting for the earlier cars had been set up on a std car and was perhaps a little out of spec by the time the big bhp car came to be run, with their bigger,softer tyres etc

When this was adjusted a fraction and the car rerun it did not re-occur. This was irrespective of whether it was roller ratio or spark method. The car was shunting slightly onto the front roller causing a slight rocking and making it look like wheelspin.

Allan

[Mike Marden]

Does it make a difference what gear the car is in when on the rollers? checked a previous printout (from over a month ago) the car was (then) in 4th gear at 112 mph when it achieved the previous power but at the weekend was in 3rd gear at 93mph, excuse my ignorance if a daft question

Mike

[pblamire]

Originally posted by Mike Marden
Does it make a difference what gear the car is in when on the rollers? checked a previous printout (from over a month ago) the car was (then) in 4th gear at 112 mph when it achieved the previous power but at the weekend was in 3rd gear at 93mph, excuse my ignorance if a daft question

Mike

Makes no difference to the power output achieved or measured, although if the RPM on the dyno reads low, then the torque will be higher than reality.

[RC Developments]

Just returned from an afternoon spent at Racing Line with Nick's evo 8 mr. Some of you will have seen this car run at WRC on saturday and achieve a questionable result.
This car is of similar engine spec to Kev H.'s evo 6 gsr on a GT40/88R turbo and 2.35 bar boost.
Both cars ran Klotz 118 race fuel.
Kev's evo 6 produced 571.3 whp @ 6600rpm and 458 ftlb atw at WRC after two seperate attempts to get a result without wheel spin / Quote "shunting"
Nick's evo 8 mr ran much later in the afternoon ..... In theory after the earlier wheel base problems were corrected and reset for the evo 7,8,9's. It produced 409 whp at best and we were informed that it was "unlikely to be spinning"
After scrutineering Matt's strapping method and the subsequent results at Racing Line I now know why they had problems with the higher powered cars at WRC.
Nick's car today achieved 549 hp atw @6700rpm and 462 ftlb torque atw at Racing Line.
The car never left the trailer between the two venues and was still on the Toyo 888 tires which were at one point blamed for the results at WRC.
I would like to praise the Racing Line staff and especialy Matt for his care and attention to the car in question and ourselves and for an amazing level of service. You really cannot ask for more.

Thanks for reading
Clive & Andy

Edited to remove comment which may have been misinterpreted.

[MADMAT]

Originally posted by RC Developments
Just returned from an afternoon spent at Racing Line with Nick's evo 8 mr. Some of you will have seen this car run at WRC on saturday and achieve a questionable result.
This car is of similar engine spec to Kev H.'s evo 6 gsr on a GT40/88R turbo and 2.35 bar boost.
Both cars ran Klotz 118 race fuel.
Kev's evo 6 produced 571.3 whp @ 6600rpm and 458 ftlb atw at WRC after two seperate attempts to get a result without wheel spin / Quote "shunting"
Nick's evo 8 mr ran much later in the afternoon ..... In theory after the earlier wheel base problems were corrected and reset for the evo 7,8,9's. It produced 409 whp at best and we were informed that it was "unlikely to be spinning"
After scrutineering Matt's strapping method and the subsequent results at Racing Line I now know why they had problems with the higher powered cars at WRC.
Nick's car today achieved 549 hp atw @6700rpm and 462 ftlb torque atw at Racing Line.
The car never left the trailer between the two venues and was still on the Toyo 888 tires which were at one point blamed for the results at WRC.
I would like to praise the Racing Line staff and especialy Matt for his care and attention to the car in question and ourselves and for an amazing level of service. You really cannot ask for more.
The only question left in my mind is would I return to WRC?
Thanks for reading
Clive & Andy

Im sure WRC have run bigger HP cars without any problems i.e. your monster methanol motor ;)

[RC Developments]

Us too!

[RC Developments]

Here is the graph from Racing line on Nick's evo 8.
Can this be added to the mlr modified at your nearest convenience please Dave G...... Many thanks
Clive

http://www.rcdevelopments.com/hosting/nicksdynorunsmaller.jpg

[Northy 8]

I had problems at wrc aswell, showing very low readings upto 4500 rpm, :confused:

[Gingerpimp]

Paul, your car reads low after 4500 too, :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: ...i couldn't resist, sorry :p ;) ....

[Northy 8]

Originally posted by danny burns
Paul, your car reads low after 4500 too, :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: ...i couldn't resist, sorry :p ;) ....
shut up you ******, :crackup: :crackup: did you sort wimp daddy out with his in car entertainment

[The Admiral]

Originally posted by Mike Marden
Does it make a difference what gear the car is in when on the rollers? checked a previous printout (from over a month ago) the car was (then) in 4th gear at 112 mph when it achieved the previous power but at the weekend was in 3rd gear at 93mph, excuse my ignorance if a daft question

Mike Yes - here's an example with a Civic TypeR:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=5/13611512841.jpg&s=f5

Also - faulty rpm calibration will cause torque to be wrong but bhp to remain accurate; wheelspin can affect both, as I understand things ;)

Cheers :)

Rog

[Gingerpimp]

I may have help the Daddy pimp his own ride a bit more - but, never mock a man with a longer front overhang than yourself...you'll see what i mean soon enough ;)

[Northy 8]

Originally posted by danny burns
I may have help the Daddy pimp his own ride a bit more - but, never mock a man with a longer front overhang than yourself...you'll see what i mean soon enough ;)
oh, no what you up to now :crackup: :crackup:

[kev hemsley]

Originally posted by MADMAT
Im sure WRC have run bigger HP cars without any problems i.e. your monster methanol motor ;)

yes but on the day they could not run sucessfully bigger powered cars mine had poor tyres to produce this aparently (888's)

kev

[sknevolution]

Originally posted by RC Developments
Just returned from an afternoon spent at Racing Line with Nick's evo 8 mr. Some of you will have seen this car run at WRC on saturday and achieve a questionable result.
This car is of similar engine spec to Kev H.'s evo 6 gsr on a GT40/88R turbo and 2.35 bar boost.
Both cars ran Klotz 118 race fuel.
Kev's evo 6 produced 571.3 whp @ 6600rpm and 458 ftlb atw at WRC after two seperate attempts to get a result without wheel spin / Quote "shunting"
Nick's evo 8 mr ran much later in the afternoon ..... In theory after the earlier wheel base problems were corrected and reset for the evo 7,8,9's. It produced 409 whp at best and we were informed that it was "unlikely to be spinning"
After scrutineering Matt's strapping method and the subsequent results at Racing Line I now know why they had problems with the higher powered cars at WRC.
Nick's car today achieved 549 hp atw @6700rpm and 462 ftlb torque atw at Racing Line.
The car never left the trailer between the two venues and was still on the Toyo 888 tires which were at one point blamed for the results at WRC.
I would like to praise the Racing Line staff and especialy Matt for his care and attention to the car in question and ourselves and for an amazing level of service. You really cannot ask for more.

Thanks for reading
Clive & Andy

Edited to remove comment which may have been misinterpreted.

Great info.

I know where I'll be taking my car to dyno after reading this thread.

[Matt TRL]

Thanks for the nice comments from RC, Much appreciated. :)

At The Racing line we are happy to help anybody and you can be sure to get 100% service and satisfaction. ;)

Just to clear up about Tyres on Chassis Dynamometers ( Rolling Roads) The Dyno Dynamics Rollers are Knurled to help with traction, this works great. However the softer the tyre the more chance of traction breaking. As yet i have not had a problem with Toyo 888. but when you get to very soft tyre normally used for Drag racing I.E. MT or M&H, These type of tyre's are too soft and the knurles will strip the tyre. :eek: The best tyre is a decent road Tyre. :cool:

Thanks

Matt :D

[Conrad]

I'd just like to echo Matts comments and thank RC for the kind words. Sorry I couldnt be there I'm sure it was a great afternoon.

Regards

Conrad

[Barrie @ DCY]

We tried running our MT streets @ mattts and conrads rr - nightmare couldnt get traction and couldnt get a proper reading at alll , we tried everything !

Saying that My evo ran r888's with no slip on the rollers, did 653bhp at fly on pump fuel . But the rc cars are running another 100hp :)

[pblamire]

It was me that brought up the potential problem with R888s on dynos. I've ran my Impreza on a knurled roller dyno and it had problems at high power. BUT this was after a fair time of pretty solid running at high boost, and by then the tyres were soft and sticky like they had been running on track. The ambient temperature was more like 25'C not 5'C and of course longer running.

It's work checking though as the relatively small contact patch means that soft tyres can run into problems where the roller starts disintegrating the tyre once hot. My car had sprayed the ceiling with rubber, and I've seen race cars do the same when running on their regular race slicks.

I am glad that WRC sorted the running problems with the higher powered cars, it was strange (at the time) to see the problem on low powered cars though, which of course has been understood.

Paul

[Northy 8]

What sort of power were you running then, to melt the tyre :coolsm:

[Barrie @ DCY]

500 -600hp ATW i would say paul

when we ran our skyline , the car was covered in it , we gave up in the end !

[Northy 8]

Originally posted by barrie
500 -600hp ATW i would say paul

when we ran our skyline , the car was covered in it , we gave up in the end !
dear day then , 4x knackered tyres aswell as a crappy reading, :crackup: :crackup:

[Vman69]

HI every1 does any1 no what thread the pics are on for the rolling road day at WRC cheers vinny.

[mechell]

Originally posted by Vman69
HI every1 does any1 no what thread the pics are on for the rolling road day at WRC cheers vinny.

Some here (http://lancerregister.com/showthread.php?threadid=133990) :)