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Claudius v1.4
10-02-2002, 17:48
Just back from the track. Check out these B 540 type S AFTER 8 MILES!! :(
http://www.lancerforums.com/forums/attachment.php?s|EQU| and amp;postid|EQU|28671
Claudius
What pressure were you running and amp; what was the ambient temp ?
Suprised that they heated up so much this time of year , unless over inflated ?
Claudius v1.4
10-02-2002, 19:25
I was only running 2 bars!
Claudius v1.4
10-02-2002, 19:27
Temp? Like 14 - 15C.
Was it a proper track, or an airfield - surfaces on airfields are *******s to tyres!
You must be sliding too much too! Try less lock when turning in :D
Did you have alot of understeer?
Claudius v1.4
10-02-2002, 22:26
Yes, I did have a lot of understeer. I have AYC!! (Well, it stopped working after 4 laps...)
I'm really pïssed off with the AYC now, cost me 200 GBP in tyres for 4 days!!
Claudius v1.4
10-02-2002, 22:46
The RS diff is on order. After that, it will be sliding on command just like the RS2 :D
Claudius, check your geometry !!
I doubt if Tommi Mak in Corsica could do that in 8 miles on ashphalt !! [img]http://www.lancerregister.com/graphics/laugh1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle ><!--e8-->
Claudius v1.4
11-02-2002, 23:58
Peely, the geometry was adjusted right after the tyres were fitted.
I am sure that that fu<i></i>ckin treator could destroy the tyres over the same distance, except it might be harder work without the AYC! :D
Next time I see him I will kick his butt, cant believe I have a car with his name on it and he drives a Scooby!!! :(
claudius
lol, great effort!
however these are the control tyre for porsche cup racing here and sure they ball up but u seem to have done the edges in but have plenty of tread left?
also what size are these?
as others have said something has to be wrong with the geometry or something
what settings are u running?
andrew
Simon7extreme
12-02-2002, 08:32
Tommi would have a great advantage, a full roll cage. Even if Claudius has his geometry OK, the amount of body flex could be a factor particularly with his rock hard suspension. In effect, even if his static geometry is spot on, his dynamic geometry could be all over the place. I believe that this was one of the lessons Blade learnt on his motor.
Claudius v1.4
12-02-2002, 11:35
ANdrewN
In fact, it appears the tyres had been re-cut and were in fact ****ed when I got them. I usually dont buy stuff from that particular place, but my rallye team didnt have any left... :( Time for my Corsican friends to pay a visit there... :D
Simon,
you are right about the roll cage. But not about the suspension: it is not rock hard, it has stiff springs and is very efficient, not hard, which is very different! Anyway, I was quoted EUR 3000, like GBP 2000 to get a made to measure roll cage fitted by a MAtter approved suspension and rallye specialist in my area. They said it takes 3 days to strip the car, 3 days to do the welding etc and like a week to put everything back in. The rollcage will be extra I guess. What do think? Worth it? I dont find that too expensive!
Claudius v1.4
12-02-2002, 11:37
In fact, I meant that they strip, reweld and put back together the car in 2 weeks for GBP 2000 and that I will have to pay an extra GBP 600 to 800 for the roll cage. Sorry for the confusion!
Claudius v1.4
12-02-2002, 17:20
Do you think it's worth it? Blade, how much did you pay?
Simon7extreme
12-02-2002, 18:16
Claudius
I wasn't trying to say that your suspension is too hard. However, the limiting factor could now be bodyshell stiffness. Have you got lower strut braces, such as the Cusco stuff? That would also help.
Sorry to hear that the tyres were dead before you even drove them. Send round those friends:D
Claudius - it is definitely worth it. It is that more than anything else that stops my car eating tyres. Simon is bang on.
However, you can improve your stiffness (:D) massively with :|EQU|
1) Cusco lower 4 point and 2 point braces
2) Cusco front and rear 3 point strut braces
3) Viagra :D
I have got all of that, stiffer rollbars, rollcage and everything. Saves a fortune in tyres. You don't need a full weld in cage - even a bolt in half-cage helps. Obviously, the full on cage that bolts to the struts is the best, but not on a track - it doesn't make a hooj difference.
Take some weight out too (goodby subwoofer!)
Warning - if you put a full cage it is REALLY difficult to get in and out - girls won't like it! Makes it difficult to have sex in the car too :-O
I think the cage is around £600, but fitting is up to you. You can get a trick rear cage that just bolts in, so that is only a day or so to fit. Full on cages require removing everything, and that costs alot - maybe not as much as £2,000 to fit (that is like a week of labour!)
Claudius v1.4
12-02-2002, 18:46
Simon,
Spot on again (did you meet up with Wazup or something??)! I have CUSCO front strut brace and lower arm bar (4 points), the single bar on order. Cant fit a rear because of the subwoofer. You can see all my mods and pictures on http://www.lancerforums.com/registry/vehicles.php?vid|EQU|91
Blade
Spanks for your stiffness recommendations! ;) The price I was quoted is in fact for 2 weeks labor, the time needed to throw EVERYTHING out, REWELD the car ENTIRELY and fit everything back on. Is yours rewelded (Simon calls it seam welded or sthg if memory serves me right) as well? If so, I am about to be ripped off!
Simon, a pic of my (blue) CUSCO lower arm bar (4 points) just for you:
http://www.lancerforums.com/registry/images.php?imageid|EQU|262
with HKS downpipe
http://www.lancerforums.com/registry/images.php?imageid|EQU|263
those are the 540s that were almost dead and died on Sunday
No need to send the Corsicans over, the guy agreed to give me 4 new tyres! :) He must have thought I was a pssy driver and that they would last or sthg. :D
Simon7extreme
12-02-2002, 19:00
Claudius
I am a big fan of the Cusco braces and want them for my car. Could you feel the difference when you first fitted them? I do think that a top brace for the rears would be a good idea. I know that means moving or getting rid of the sub, but did you see the picture of the cracked rear turrets somebody put up a week or 2 ago?
Claudius v1.4
12-02-2002, 19:47
Dear Mr. Moderator,
I could indeed feel a little more stability from the front end. Remember though that I am not a professional driver, but just a young guy totally out of his mind with too little fear and too much money to spend on mods. However, I am sure I will feel the difference when taking them off. The main reason for fitting them was not to get what Colie got in his 4, the problem you have so kindly brought back to our attention. Please let me recommend to fit these bars for body shell integrity.
Respectfully yours,
Claudius
:)
Claudius v1.4
12-02-2002, 19:48
Yo, blade, dood, whassup? Is your car rewelded then or not maaan? ;)
No it isn't. Seam welding and a weld in cage are a must for a rally car, overkill for a track car. This does mean removing everything completely, welding, painting etc. 2 weeks work at least! But you don't need it. Get a bolt in cage and it will be good enough.
The bolt points do weld to the the car though, but it is much simpler to do, and so costs ALOT less.
Claudius v1.4
13-02-2002, 15:52
I'm not sure, but if you do not seam weld the whole car, isnt fitting a roll cage going to put more strain on other non-reinforced parts of the car and therefore might accelerate their breakdown? It would seem logical.
Yes you are right, it is 2 weeks labor. They will also scrape all the black **** off the car. I might actually throw the sound system out. Or at least the subwoofer. And lose the spare wheel.
And I will get a roll cage welded in there as well, but one that keeps the back seats and can get a cross in the back if you know what I mean. I will take this opportunity to throw out the AYC system, control unit, wires, ABS same thing and whatever else I dont need as well to lighten the car. Because MAXI's RS accelerates as good as my TME with only 1.1 bars because it is 140 kg lighter.
Just called the guy, he's not there today. I will confirm the dates and prices when I get it done so I get you jealous :D (just kidding)
Claudius v1.4
13-02-2002, 15:53
Oh, you said your car is not seam welded? [img]http://www.lancerregister.com/graphics/tongue1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle ><!--e4--> [img]http://www.lancerregister.com/graphics/tongue1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle ><!--e4--> hehe!
Claudius v1.4
13-02-2002, 15:54
GBP 2.000 to seam weld the whole damn car seem like a good deal! :)
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