New Discs and Pads. [Archive] - Mitsubishi Lancer Register Forum

Stud Colie

08-03-2002, 23:15

Hi there, only me:D,

No reason at the moment to change my discs or pads other than they like do-do, all rusty around the edges and the bit the wheels attached to (don't know the tech term).

would like a replacement set that look good (and obviosly do the job - just road work, no track at the mo), Preferably black, grooved and holed.

Any suggestions?

Another question,
the rear brake set have built in pads for the handbrake. i have not taken them apart yet or looked at the workshop manual but do these have to be touched when replacing the discs?

I've got an E4 with standard Brakes at the moment.

Thanks

Colie

Claudius v1.4

09-03-2002, 00:22

The part that goes to the wheel with the holes in it is called the bell. Better discs have a separate bell, which means that the bell is a piece of metal (aluminium for example) with the disc bolted onto it. These have a double advantage: they reduce the chances of the discs warping because of the different heat conducting and play the two piece construction offers AND when they are used up, you just unbolt the disc from the bell, change the disc but keep the bell (cheaper).

The rust on the bell on part of the disc is normal.

The ultimate replacement would be Project Mu Carbon fiber discs (they are black as you requested ,)) and pads which can withstand 1300 C (you will be out of tyres and the wheels will melt before that probably :))
You could also try and get hold of a set of CTF discs, I know 5 people who run them with harsh pads and havent warped them. This is the only standard replacement that hasnt warped so far to my knowledge.

Stud Colie

18-03-2002, 22:52

Without going over the top (Claudius-me is on de budget mon), and remebering i'm not going to be doing many track days (but i do hear its addictive!:)), AND i don't drive that hard very often:(, i need to start getting prepared for my first track day(:D).

If i'm to replace my pads, at least, i need to run them in....
therefore Need to cahnge them now!

I need help boys...

Which pads?

Claudius v1.4

19-03-2002, 00:15

OK, I could answer that, but it would get ripped apart by the local Mintex fans, so I am not saying anything.

(Get Pagid RS14s!!!) :D

Colie

19-03-2002, 13:58

C,

Will the RS14 be ok for my use?

Colie

Colie

19-03-2002, 14:03

Claudius v1.4

19-03-2002, 15:49

Yes, they brake like OEM when cold but SO MUCH BETTER when warm or hot!

Colie

24-03-2002, 11:36

i will be renewing my front disks on my E4 in a couple of weeks/days.

Standard calipers at present.

i'm going to go for the black disc's to get the look i'm after for my 4 but the only ones i can see that are readily available are the Black Diamond ones.

So if i get these shall i get grooved, drilled or combi? what are the benifits/pitfalls of these types?
Prefarebly the combi...but again..just because they are astheticlly pleasing to me.

will be going for the Pagid RS14 pads (cheers C;)..can't afford the other discs you mentioned:()...

Any more thoughts/comments?

cheers

colie

Krautie

24-03-2002, 13:11

The cross drilled ones are more prone to cracking but cool better.

'Other'

24-03-2002, 15:46

but what about the manufacturer? Black Diamond?

Krautie

24-03-2002, 16:30

Dont know those, make your own decisions, big boy. [img]http://www.lancerregister.com/graphics/tongue1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >

Dont want to sound repetitive here...

Stud

24-03-2002, 22:13

i think i'm in love.....bitch[img]http://www.lancerregister.com/graphics/embarassed1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >

Krautie

25-03-2002, 00:26

That's good to hear, bitch. I hope you meant your wife :D

Because the colour of those discs will last about 2-3 days! (it's on an excellent site by Sir Dave Wilson, who BTW has the most powerful FTO in the UK :) on <a href|EQU| http://www.mivec.co.uk target|EQU| _blank >http://www.mivec.co.uk</a> in the Modifying section [img]http://www.lancerregister.com/graphics/tongue1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >)

Stud

25-03-2002, 10:28

Cheesr C,

nice looking site!

Guess i've got no choice realy then....either way they are going to go shiny silver.
i thought that the metal was that colour right through!
You saved me the disappointment!;)

I'll have to keep looking...

Krautie

25-03-2002, 10:42

You do have a choice:
you can buy whatever discs, black diamond, dragon, groupN etc and warp them
or buy CTF and not warp them

You can get it right the first time or not, choice is yours.

Stud

25-03-2002, 10:59

Sounds expensive?...
where from and how much approx?

Krautie

25-03-2002, 15:28

It's less expensive than buying 2 or 3 sets and warp and replace, and go there and pay labour etc.

Anyway, there's a thread by MichaelK on them on <a href|EQU| http://www.lancerforums.com target|EQU| _blank >http://www.lancerforums.com</a> (a site you dont visit often enough appearently! [img]http://www.lancerregister.com/graphics/tongue1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >). Currently available in Germany and they will send them to the UK. But Sam is already on it, maybe they're gone :D [img]http://www.lancerregister.com/graphics/tongue1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle > Price was 450 incl shipping or there about. They are for the 6 though, not sure they fit your car. You need to find that out first.

Stud

25-03-2002, 16:58

Alright......
looked at the workshop manual in section for fornt brakes..can see no diagrams for my front caliper set up?!

Is this correct...
here are my E4 front calipers (Please ignore the botched painting attempted)

http://www.westwinds.hotel.btinternet.co.uk/evo/frontsmall.jpg

http://www.westwinds.hotel.btinternet.co.uk/evo/frontsmallside.jpg

http://www.westwinds.hotel.btinternet.co.uk/evo/frontsmallback.jpg

are they standared for an E4?

any advise on taking them apart just to cahnge the pads?

Thanks..

Colie

DaveG

25-03-2002, 17:12

Colie

Calipers and discs look standard, apart from being painted red. Although I dont remember the ducting you have behind your discs on my 4.

Dave

moby

25-03-2002, 17:19

Love your flaps man....tee hee

Stud

25-03-2002, 17:27

Daveg,
ever cahnged the discs or pads?

Moby,
;)...all hail the mighty 'Pond' ...Trouble is now with the newly fitted lowered springs not much clearance:(..might have to ..adjust them..

DaveG

25-03-2002, 19:49

Colie,

I tried EBC green stuff pads, but they were sh*t for any kind of serious braking. That's all I did, but was going to completely change the brakes. The 4 brakes are fine for road use and do brake well, the problem is they can't take continued hard use and overheat very quickly. I could never get more than 3 or 4 laps out of them on track and even had them catch fire once.

I was going to get E5/6 brakes and some 'warp resistant' discs as an easy and reasonably priced upgrade, but changed the car before that happened.

Dave

Stud

25-03-2002, 22:02

Dave,
did you fit the pads yourself?
if so was it a matter of just realsing the caliper by the 2 bolts and after using the piston compression tool just pull out the pads?...sort of?

Cheers

DaveG

26-03-2002, 11:38

Colie

Sorry, cant help you there. I got my garage to change them for me so I didn't get my hands dirty ;).

Dave

Krautie

27-03-2002, 09:42

Paul,

Maybe you could fit Evo 6 brakes from someone who upgraded to APs? That would be cool.

Krautie

27-03-2002, 09:45

<blockquote><hr><font size|EQU| 1 >Original Post:</font>
...Trouble is now with the newly fitted lowered springs not much clearance...<hr></blockquote>

Just saw this, Paul. :(

Dont come to the Silverstone meet, or I'll rip your springs out! :D

moses

27-03-2002, 15:39

whatever u do dont go for mintex their crap, ebc red stuff excellent

Wazuptommi

27-03-2002, 16:31

Moses Mintex are crap!

Colie

27-03-2002, 16:32

moses,

going for the PAGID RS14s....available from ec parts (thanks SE)

Claudius,

have to put my old harder longer springs back on for Castle Coombe....just in case...:).

Thought about the e5/6 brakes but not sure the e4 struts will then fit the caliper fittings...
colud go fro the whole struts and brakes but will they fit to the rest of the sus arrangement?
don't know..do you? or any one else know?
i have had one person say they will fit (with bigger wheels obviously) and some say they won't?

Colie

Clive

27-03-2002, 18:40

whatever u do dont go for mintex their crap, ebc red stuff excellent

What an absolute load of bo11ox, red stuff are excellent , hahahahaha you've obviously never braked hard in your life.

I used EBC pads once on a track day in a car weighing 750KG and they lasted about 30 laps, they are ****e.

Colie

27-03-2002, 21:47

RS14's

www.motorsportworld.co.uk

'Our best price is £162.15 inc vat.'

How does this sound to you?

What do you reckon?

Krautie

28-03-2002, 03:07

They cost £130 - 140 here in France, so it sounds like a good price [img]http://www.lancerregister.com/graphics/tongue1.gif border|EQU| 0 align|EQU| absmiddle >

SwinYE5

04-04-2002, 15:45

Colie, I had the OEM brembo's fitted all round yesterday and the fronts were £150 and the rears £120 exc VAT, so sounds good.....

Scruffy Collie

04-04-2002, 22:20

Cheesr swin...

better get on the phone.....my 'endless' have started to squeel now.....:)

Colie

Stud Colie

25-04-2002, 18:42

Ok...

Pagid RS14s in the post ...should be with me tomorrow!

Colie

Stud Colie

29-04-2002, 15:42

Pagids are now in my grubby little hands:D:D

Colie

06-05-2002, 21:52

RS14s now fitted and working.....
so far so good...
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just need to go fast and slow down now:)...
they seem very good for the more meanial tasks.....
got them smoking (just a little) at castle combe to bed in just a little....

waiting on the next track day (super Rallyday-ok the bug has bitten) to see if they really work!(if i can get quick enough).